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Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:22 pm
by Idris
Lot 5147 of the recent Wally Walters Vectis auction (hammer price £400 excl. buyer's premium) highlighted a little-known variation of the 'Douglas' label. Usually found in orange on white, and occasionally in black on white, very occasionally it is found in red on white. This is my example...
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...and I can vouch that the printing is very definitely red rather than orange.

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:15 am
by kwakers
Very Nice Hugh, and as you say, a little known variation that is still new to me...... :shock: Dick

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:03 pm
by Brad Pittiful
checked mine...all are orange

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:54 am
by Taniwha
New to me too - never seen that before. Another one goes onto the list...which seems to get longer rather than shorter these days!

Cheers,
Gavin

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:28 am
by Tinman
Are we sure it's not a reproduction or code 3?

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:44 am
by Idris
Tinman wrote:Are we sure it's not a reproduction or code 3?
No, but the fact that there is now documentary evidence for both a playworn and a mint example provides a degree of confidence (c.f. black and white label version). In addition, the labels on mine have all the scuffs and dents you would expect given the general condition of the model.
I'm also heartened by the fact that the one in the recent Vectis sale went for so much and had a high estimate, indicating that a number of other collectors also believe this to be a genuine variation.

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:24 pm
by Idris
Idris wrote:
Tinman wrote:Are we sure it's not a reproduction or code 3?
No, but the fact that there is now documentary evidence for both a playworn and a mint example provides a degree of confidence (c.f. black and white label version). In addition, the labels on mine have all the scuffs and dents you would expect given the general condition of the model.
I'm also heartened by the fact that the one in the recent Vectis sale went for so much and had a high estimate, indicating that a number of other collectors also believe this to be a genuine variation.
I have just checked the labels with a 15x magnifying glass and can report that, apart from the colour, they appear to be identical in every way to the standard orange version.

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:28 pm
by Tinman
Interesting, never seen one before.

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:25 pm
by Brad Pittiful
idris...a casting variation was found to have thin axle pivots...does yours have thick or thin pivots?
if it has thin pivots and the red label...could be an early trial model...anyone agree?

Re: Little-Known 51c Variation

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:20 pm
by Idris
Brad Pittiful wrote:idris...a casting variation was found to have thin axle pivots...does yours have thick or thin pivots?
Well remembered!
'Thin' is the answer.