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Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:40 pm
by Idris
elinders wrote:TI’m waiting for Eric to message me to say he will give me $12 to take the “fake” car off my hands because he really likes yellow.
:D

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:41 pm
by GHOSTHUNTER
I am finding it difficult waiting to learn from Eric how he can tell a model is fake, as this knowledge will help us with other duious models.

Ghosthunter.

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:59 pm
by motorman
GHOSTHUNTER wrote:I am finding it difficult waiting to learn from Eric how he can tell a model is fake, as this knowledge will help us with other duious models.

Ghosthunter.
Eric has certainly sold countless rare matchbox models over the years, so having handled so many original Regular Wheel models it would be very interesting to hear why he considers this model a fake. It looks ok to me but i’m no expert!!!!

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:16 pm
by Diecast
Eric wrote:Hi, sorry but I have to say this. The yellow Prime is not original.
I'm sorry, but I have the same opinion. The axis, used on the yellow model, are the "recycled" axis from another model with the dome head riveted axis. There are visible notches on the axis heads from a riveting machine. And, moreover, the model should have the flat head axis.
Antonin

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:57 pm
by elinders
Thank you for your opinion Diecast but this is from the website here;

It was originally fitted with six grey metal wheels on flat head axles with crimped ends, Later dome head axles with crimped ends were used.


I’m not even sure what you are pointing to in that picture. There are no notches on the axis heads. Here is another picture.

I’m not sure what I walked into here...

Here is another picture so you can see the dome axles that are discussed on this website in the guide. There is another picture of the yellow one with the dome head axles.
Sorry it’s still big. Posting from my iPhone.
Image

Image reduced and rotated by Ghosthunter.

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:49 am
by toysnz
elinders wrote:I’m waiting for Eric to message me to say he will give me $12 to take the “fake” car off my hands because he really likes yellow.
OH I'll better that... I'll offer you $15.00 just because I like yellow.... :lol:

Ian

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:16 am
by Idris
elinders wrote:It was originally fitted with six grey metal wheels on flat head axles with crimped ends, Later dome head axles with crimped ends were used.
The issue is that done-head axles were only used after the model colour had changed to orange. Accoding to Nick's variation table (here), the yellow model is only known with flat-head axles.
Could we please see close-ups of the crimped ends?

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:47 am
by Diecast
Thanks Elinders for nice photo. I will try to explain my opinion. The opposite end of axis was locked against rotation (by dome head riveted axis). The traces of this aretation are just notches on the opposite side of the axis. The head must be smooth by genuine crimped axis (because there was no need to lock the axis against the rotation).
Antonin

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:10 pm
by kerbside
The #15a Yellow on Nicks variation site is my one and as idris noted it only comes with flat head axels as my one has.

George T.

Re: 15a yellow mover

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:14 pm
by elinders
kerbside wrote:The #15a Yellow on Nicks variation site is my one and as idris noted it only comes with flat head axels as my one has.

George T.
I am getting more confused by the second. My axles match yours on the guide. What does the other side look like? Like I said I have no idea about these cars so I think I’m getting the flat/crimp/dome terms mixed up?