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Thank you for explaining this

fixer wrote:Thank you for explaining this

Anytime Reg!

Now Reg's suspicion had come to bear and which should make most of us much more alert in the future.The models as i mentioned earlier are all kosher but this seller is a fraud.
Maybe its time the Boys used their brain power to try fathom out what this fraudster was really up to and how i just this minute came to know more about this new sellers antics and the models in question.
numi.

Am I right in thinking that this method would make ebay buyer protection null and void, but it would still provide paypal protection?

johnboy wrote:Am I right in thinking that this method would make ebay buyer protection null and void, but it would still provide paypal protection?

that's the way I understand it from Numi's explanation

I agree with Numi, The models do look authentic, the 71 with amber windows would be very hard to fake, The sellers feedback is now on the rise because of all the hot wheel models he is selling, His Lesneys were also in the yesteryear category. My guess is this is a new seller with little knowledge of ebay, and as for all the 'listings cancelled because there was an error'. I recon someone emailed him and persuaded him to sell them outside ebay. and got a real bargain in doing so.

The BPW T Bird and Amber windowed Wrecker look O.K., but I am very suspicious of the Gold Lincoln and that Refreshment Stand. The Gold Lincoln I must agree is ULTRA-Rare and a VERY expensive model, and the Seller did not do ANY basic research to sell it as such. It seems to even have at least one larger style 'Superfast rivet' on it's base, so perhaps it is a genuine picture of a 'Real One'. That RW Gold Lincoln is only found 'Mint' in the finest old collections, not packed away in an assortment of more common models like the others. The refreshment stand base shot shows the bottom of that spread rivet as not being spread now. With persuasion, that base can be removed easily for a re-paint if the casting is early enough for that color. I really can't say they are ALL Fake or real, even with the additional base photos. I believe a few of the other rivets do look small enough to slip out of the base holes though, adding to this appropriately titled 'suspicious'.
Detective Numi has now identified the Seller, and also may have sourced the origins of the Seller's photos that are probably not his model's pictures at all. How about Grizzly's models for a guess??
I can't believe E Bay would allow any invoices to NOT go through them in the print of any listing, but I do know Sellers who still list on E Bay and do NOT accept PayPal at all. I guess for that reason, his own invoicing might be possible as long as E Bay's policies are followed in doing so. I would have bid on these but asked to personally pick them up to avoid any 'scam' if I lived in England, or if they were selling on the East Coast of the U.S. If the Seller does NOT agree to a personal pick up while I am bidding on a rarity from him, chances are he is a crook and/or the models are really fakes or do not even exist!! 'My' red Victor on E Bay was withdrawn when I insisted on picking it up in person on my 'Buy it Now' successful purchase. I am sure it was a fake even though I had earlier bought some very nice models from that Seller who fell on hard times. Honest Sellers with expensive Ultra rarities love $$ on pickup, and they always love to show you other rarities off E Bay they may be able to sell you while you are visiting them.......kwakers

I hear what you are saying Dick, But the canteen looks fine to me, the yellowing of the decal looks right and I don't think you can fake age that well. I stand by Numi.
Also the RW gold Lincoln, Yes rare but I have found two of them over the years so maybe they are not quite as rare as we think, but I guess well never know the truth so its all academic as they say...

numi wrote:

fixer wrote:Thank you for explaining this

Anytime Reg!

Now Reg's suspicion had come to bear and which should make most of us much more alert in the future.The models as i mentioned earlier are all kosher but this seller is a fraud.
Maybe its time the Boys used their brain power to try fathom out what this fraudster was really up to and how i just this minute came to know more about this new sellers antics and the models in question.
numi.

After seeing the added base pics of the Lime Lincoln from this new Uk seller,it later struck me and i did remember gloves being used on another sellers auctions as well not long ago.I stopped my cooking and had to investigate further and wallah..... .
This fraudster had casually used the generic pics from mrsmatchbox auctions as if Numi was never always wide awake
Here are the listing details so grab yourself a cup of English tea and view.
numi

mrsmatchbox (usa) VS kenndavdavi (uk)
251591828395 = 221577518680
251604343200 = 321553670665
251605024396 = 221577514460
251611510305 = 221577508944
251617466724 = 321553674140
251604338791 = 321553678303

So what exactly is the scam here?
He copies photographs of someone else's genuine rarities, uses them in his listings, and then.....? Is the idea that he draws an unsuspecting punter in, does a deal for serious money outside Ebay (thereby bypassing all the buyer protection rules) and, presumably, then sends them standard models? If so, why have such a convoluted payment procedure in the listing?

Idris wrote:So what exactly is the scam here?
He copies photographs of someone else's genuine rarities, uses them in his listings, and then.....? Is the idea that he draws an unsuspecting punter in, does a deal for serious money outside Ebay (thereby bypassing all the buyer protection rules) and, presumably, then sends them standard models? If so, why have such a convoluted payment procedure in the listing?

Hi Idris,the only simple scam i can think of is that this seller would have simply taken your money and thereafter came up with pathetic excuses about the package being lost,stolen and who knows what or even send other models as u mentioned.Perhaps he just need a temporary loan but then again who knows how this could end with blatant scammers.
I think he miscalculated here cos the buyer could easily claim via Ebay(so i presume) and leave appropriate feedback irrespective or could easily claim directly from Paypal if this was paid via a Paypal Invoice outside Ebay.
We would really never fathom what this fraud intended!
numi