69b - HATRA TRACTOR SHOVEL - unlisted variation

[tandyfan]

Found this one, all yellow (shovel, body and wheels), but with square diff, no hole.

[Diecast]

Hi Tandyfan
You read my thoughts . On the next weekend I would like to mention the unlisted variations of 69b Hatra Tractor Shovel.
I can confirm your yellow variation with square diff cover and no hole.
Antonin

[Diecast]

and an unlisted orange variation with the round diff cover with the hole and with no showel brace.

[Brad Pittiful]

i have one

[Idris]

Whilst we're at it, could we also please catalogue the presence/absence of paint on the front rivet (which is part of the turntable assembly)? (I remember a while back, when we were discussing the two-tone variation on the olf forum, Numi proposed that the lack of paint could point to a change in the painting method. It would therefore be interesting to see if the painted and non-painted versions can be fitted into a consistent timeline with an obvious changeover from one to the other.)

[Tinman]

and an unlisted orange variation with the round diff cover with the hole and with no showel brace.

The all yellow with square diff is less common but I wouldn't call it hard to find. On the other hand, orange with the round diff is really hard to find (in my experience).

[ChFalkensteiner]

and an unlisted orange variation with the round diff cover with the hole and with no showel brace.

The all yellow with square diff is less common but I wouldn't call it hard to find. On the other hand, orange with the round diff is really hard to find (in my experience).

In spite of consciously looking for those crossover variations for some twenty years, I have never found either, and I am still looking for them!

[ChFalkensteiner]

Whilst we're at it, could we also please catalogue the presence/absence of paint on the front rivet (which is part of the turntable assembly)? (I remember a while back, when we were discussing the two-tone variation on the olf forum, Numi proposed that the lack of paint could point to a change in the painting method. It would therefore be interesting to see if the painted and non-painted versions can be fitted into a consistent timeline with an obvious changeover from one to the other.)

I second that. In my collection I have yellow examples with painted as well as unpainted front rivets (only yellow wheels - I do not have the yellow variation with red wheels at all). Among my orange ones, the one with yellow wheels has an unpainted front rivet, all others have painted front rivets.

To me this is the same phenomenon as seen on the 30c crane and the 32c tanker, and I now wonder which other models are affected by this.

On all three models it seems that earlier examples tend to have the painted rivets, while later ones tend to have the unpainted rivets, but there is a lot of overlap.

[Tinman]

That's just my experience in finding the Hatra variations, as always YMMV. It might not hurt that this is my favorite piece of equipment from the 65 to 69 era. As such, I have owned at least a hundred of them (probably more judging by the number I still have and the number of them I've sold).

I was lucky enough to find a fairly decent two tone one, had many orange hub Code 1's, had the red hub yellow model, all the hub and tire variations, these cross overs and even an early casting in orange-yellow that was thought to be preproduction (it had a petty minor casting difference on the body).

I wrote an article on the Hatra, complete with photos of the variations, back in the mid 2000's. Sadly, I did not back up my file and lost it when my last computer caught fire. The only place it was posted was on the mcch and that copy was deleted by Mr. Curtis.

[Diecast]

and an unlisted orange variation with the round diff cover with the hole and with no showel brace.

The all yellow with square diff is less common but I wouldn't call it hard to find. On the other hand, orange with the round diff is really hard to find (in my experience).

I completely agree Joe, because this model is assembled from the parts from the opposite spectrum of the production time line (early shovel without brace and late body with round diff), which is quite illogical.
Antonin