38a Pre-Production?

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38a Pre-Production?

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Colour is a mustard with strong brown overtones, almost an ochre. I cannot find a match in my collection. Paint finish is consistent with Lesney practice.
Note the blowhole underneath, just in front of the nearside front wheel. An area of the inside of the cab roof has also failed to form properly, leaving cavities. (Are these evidence of this being a low-pressure test casting?)
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Re: 38a Pre-Production?

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Very interesting model, have you popped the back off just to check inside.
What about the paint, normally i check with my fingernail to see how easy it is to get off.
Certainly the right early casting, just an interesting colour anything from the major pack range match maybe?
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Very interesting. The paint does look good and the silver trim looks right, too. What is the back story on this casting? Where was it found? Nice find!

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nearlymint wrote:Very interesting model, have you popped the back off just to check inside.
What about the paint, normally i check with my fingernail to see how easy it is to get off.
Certainly the right early casting, just an interesting colour anything from the major pack range match maybe?
J
All excellent points, Jason!
- The paint is good and hard and stuck to the metal really well.
- I have removed the barrel closure (note that this has been painted separately - there is no paint across the joint). The interior of the barrel has body-colour overspray to about halfway down, gradually getting thinner the deeper you go. The inside back wall of the cab and the inside face of the barrel closure are really rough, having that mottled appearance you sometimes get on raw castings (a bit like galvanised steel).
- No obvious colour matches amongst the Major Packs.

One thought, I think it was Dick who mentioned knowing of/having seen a 38a in tan in an older collection. Could that actually have been another dark mustard/ochre example?
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mbox2000 wrote:What is the back story on this casting?
Now that I have it in the hand and cannot immediately fault it, I'm trying to get background information from the previous owner.
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Hi Hugh is it the same yellow as they used on the early Petrol Tank Pete.
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petethesweet wrote:Hi Hugh is it the same yellow as they used on the early Petrol Tank Pete.
It's neither the yellow nor the butterscotch (the latter was my first comparison model).
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Colour trial is not always a production colour, could be just that, a trial!!
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tjlglass wrote:Colour trial is not always a production colour, could be just that, a trial!!
Yes, it could. However, the combination of what might be a low-pressure casting of the first-type body (i.e. no decal location guides) and a non-standard colour could point to it being a pre-production. Having said that, we know that the model had three different colours during its lifespan, so a colour trial remains a definite possibility.
One other thing to factor in, and that is the fact that it has flathead axles - something else pointing to it coming from early in the model's timeline.In this context, I have just gone over all my 38a models with a fine-toothed comb (in the form of a magnifying glass).
What i have found is that almost all of them have a casting defect in the cormer formed between the rear face of the rear nearside (i.e. left) mudguard, the chassis rail and the body, resulting in a small amount of infill in that area. This damage to the tooling seems to have happened sometime during Nick's variation code 2. However, the new model has a perfectly formed casting in this area which, taken together with the flathead axles, therefore places it right at the start of the model's production (i.e. Nick Jones variation code 1 equivalent).
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If it is indeed a colour trial then I would still class it as a pre production colour trial due to it being an early casting. Nice find btw.
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