A quick guide to 25 Series Lorries.

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A quick guide to 25 Series Lorries.

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Hi all,
A quick guide to these lovely toys. I'll make no attempt to go into colour variations etc, as you could spend a lifetime collecting nothing but 25's and not see them all. :D

The Dinky 25 Series of roughly 00 scale lorries was introduced in the Meccano Magazine of April 1934, and listed for sale from the following month. Sold prewar as a boxed set of six models, or pre / postwar,as individual models from a trade box of six models of the same type. The 25 Series never had an individual box, and, being dropped prior to 1953 was never re- numbered to a 3 digit code.

25a Wagon.

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And with 25 Series trailer:

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25b Covered Wagon.

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(This is of course 25a with a tinplate tilt, the tilt in this case is not original, as it should fit the bed right up to the edge, it's one to look out for, a 25 lorry with a 30 Austin tilt)

25c Flat Truck.

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25d Petrol Tanker.

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25e Tipping Wagon.

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25f Market Gardeners van.

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These models were updated into four main types, 1 2 3 4 :

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Type 1,
1934 - 1937.
Very rare now. These were fitted with a stamped tinplate radiator grille, with no headlamps,

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There is a slot cast into the leading edge of the bonnet to fix this grille:

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It has smooth hubs, thin axles, and an open, 3 triangle, cast chassis:

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It has black, or coloured hubs, and white tyres.

Type 2.1 1937 - 1940. Type 2.2 1945 - 1946.

The Type 2 is split between Pre War, and Post war issues, I will call these 2.1 and 2.2.

Type 2 now has a new radiator with cast in headlamps:

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Type 2.1 has exactly the same chassis, hubs, tyres as Type 1, type 2.2 has thicker axles and black tyres:

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Type 3. 1946 - 1947.

Type 3 now has postwar ridged hubs, and a closed chassis with a central hole:

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Type 4 1947 -1950.

Type 4 has a whole new chassis, with front bumper, and drivetrain details underneath:

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Variations.

There is only a single body casting variation, and that is the Type 1 Petrol tanker. The very first run of these had cast open side and rear windows,

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As far as I am aware these were only ever on plain red models, mine has been repainted.

The prewar tanker came in many liveries, a few of which were re-introduced postwar.

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The covered wagon also came with both "Meccano" and " Carter Patterson" lettered tilts in a variety of shades. All of these are now very hard to find.

The hardest to find of the 25 series are the open window tankers, and type 1 flat and covered wagons. Of the last two I have only ever seen these in blue, and blue with cream tilt, I think these two were only available in the set of six, and not sold individually.

As regards values if Type 1 be regarded as 100%:
then let type 2.1 be 80%,
type 2.2 75%,
type 3 50%,
and type 4 30%.

Happy hunting! A few more pictures...

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CW.
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Many thanks Chris for taking the time to produce this great informative thread. I have to admit that I don't own a single 25 series lorry (these smaller-scale comercials don't really fit my collecting themes), but it's a fascinating series which was clearly very successful for Meccano.

Many years ago someone showed me some pre-war Dinkies including a 25 series (25c I think) which had chromed hubs, although the finish had worn with age. He told me that Dinky fitted chromed hubs in about 1935, and I have seen references elsewhere about chromed hubs on other models. Do you have any more information regarding these or examples in your collection?
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great thread :) .
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Thank's Chris for finding the time to do this, it is very useful, nicely described, illustrated and easy to follow. Hugh ("Idris"), will make this a 'Sticky' thread so it remains at the top of the listing with your other Dinky guide.

'Chromed' wheels tend to have been fitted onto models used for the many store displays that Dinky loved creating as they certainly gave the model a bit of a lift from the ordinary, but plating them so early on in the development of the Dinky Toys range must have been too expensive as not many individual models seem to have them and they must be very collectible now when they turn up.

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GHOSTHUNTER wrote:Hugh ("Idris"), will make this a 'Sticky' thread so it remains at the top of the listing with your other Dinky guide.
I've already tried, but I think there's a permissions issue with this area meaning further investigation is required. (Update: now sorted.)
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Great thread Chris, lots of info and clear images. Let's see more.
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Re: A quick guide to 25 Series Lorries.

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Thanks for the compliments Gents!
Happy to do these.
Fred, my T1 25a Wagon has chrome hubs, or rather had, they're pretty much black now, they must have looked amazing against the red body and black chassis when it was new.
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Thanks for posting these Chris, I enjoy seeing these old trucks and the enthusiasm you bring to these threads. I know they're few and far between but do you have any Hornby series castings?
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Re: A quick guide to 25 Series Lorries.

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Hi John,
Thanks for the compliment!
Sadly not, I recently missed out on a Hornby 22b Coupe, I saw it, watched it, but didn't bid as they ALWAYS go up around a grand.
It sold for £200.00. I was gutted, and somebody out there got the bargain of the year.
The Hornby's were only 1933 into 1934, but being lead have survived better than some early mazak Dinkys, so I hope to get a 22a or 22b soon, as I'm missing both of those castings. My other main want is a Holland Coachcraft van, but again, short of a lottery win, I'll have to wait a bit I think.
Cheers
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starni999 wrote:Hi John,
Thanks for the compliment!
Sadly not, I recently missed out on a Hornby 22b Coupe, I saw it, watched it, but didn't bid as they ALWAYS go up around a grand.
It sold for £200.00. I was gutted, and somebody out there got the bargain of the year.
The Hornby's were only 1933 into 1934, but being lead have survived better than some early mazak Dinkys, so I hope to get a 22a or 22b soon, as I'm missing both of those castings. My other main want is a Holland Coachcraft van, but again, short of a lottery win, I'll have to wait a bit I think.
Cheers
CW.
The market for these way outstrips the supply and the few that I've watched in the past have always gone for very good money. Good luck with the hunt.
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