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11c to 6c to an even more interesting day.

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:14 am
by ford_a_30
When I had an all yellow 11c come to me I checked it against my other variations. Turns out to be a code 2 with the small rear wheels. Well, that got me looking at the others and turns out I already have a real clean code 1 with the big 12.5 wheels that according to Nicks site are also found on the 6c. So I pull down my dump trucks and I have one. Checking Nicks guide again, it shows the wheels cam have lug nuts or be smooth. OK, so now the magnifying glass and extra light comes out to check. Turns out 1 has lugs and 1 is smooth. I wonder if anyone else has one like this? This one would be either a code 5 or a code 11 depending on which wheel is right (I know, it's the one thats not left :? :lol: )

Re: 11c to 6c to an even more interesting day.

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:15 pm
by kwakers
I recently noticed Mick had a white sleeved #6C Dump Truck as a 'New Find' pictured on the Forum. He had not noticed the lug nuts on the more detailed front wheels on it, so gave me the wrong code for it. Rather than break out the magnifying glass for the lugs, one can check for treads on the outer circumference as on the real 24 inch truck tires. To confuse matters a bit, I believe Mike Stannard, and now Nick, have the wrong front wheels listed first on this 6C. The more detailed tires with lug nuts always have these outer treads to easily spot them, just like the early one piece rear duals have around their circumference. I believe these to be the original front tires used on this Euclid when it was released in August of 1963. All the early white friction sleeved Trucks I have ever seen use these more detailed (earlier in my opinion) wheels on them. The second type front wheel (Also in my opinion, not Mike Stannard or Nick's) came about before the June of 1964 release date of your 11C Taylor Crane ford_a_30. All the domed front tires I have ever seen on these early release Cranes are the less detailed no lugnut/ no tread type. They are shown on the early Crane boxes with these domed tires, but are a relatively hard variation to find that is usually found only in older U.S. collections. They were a limited early production that may have all been shipped to the U.S. (?) This is speculation on my part because Nick had never seen one when this Forum was in it's infancy, and Mike Stannard had access to the best U.K. and factory collection to publish his guide in 1985 and had never seen one. He listed only the smaller 11.5X45 and the larger 12.5X40 non-domed tires on his 11C Crane listings. This wide flat tread model was also the last Crane variation found and listed by Bob Brennen in his 1971 NAMC Guide, so was really even tough for him to find here in the U.S.A. in the 1960s.
After that long winded dissertation, yes ford_a_30, I do have a 6C Euclid Dump with one of each type domed tires just as you have. Mine has the A Type body and trim, but has the 3rd type tipper with letter B under it. I actually spotted the 2 different front tires on a Seller's EBay listing of it almost 2 years ago now by seeing lug nuts on only one wheel and none on the other. The detailist Seller had never noticed they were not the same. I keep it in the collection rather than with 'errors'......... 2 years, Boy does time fly quickly as we enjoy our Great Hobby........kwakers

Re: 11c to 6c to an even more interesting day.

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:10 am
by ford_a_30
Dick,
Good to hear from you and thanks for the answer. With now 2 examples of these mismatched wheels I wonder if both wheels may have been produced at the same time or if perhaps they were all thrown into the same bin. Now that the word is out I wonder if any more will show up.

Re: 11c to 6c to an even more interesting day.

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:32 pm
by kwakers
I would say the wheels were done with detailed lugs and treads for a very short time, maybe a matter of 3-4 months. They are tougher than the smooth to find, but not rare at all, and very available once you start looking for them. As the supply of those 'super detailed' tires ran out, the less detailed tires were mixed into the bin as you say, and there was no concern over them being mixed up like ours. These were merely Toys, and the workers were only concerned with having the domes facing out on the front and the insets facing out on the rear axles. What a relief it must have been to the workers when Lesney introduced the single reversible tire that could be put on either way. This made these wheel installations into an almost mindless task, one on each front side and two on each rear side of this double rear axled Dump. It makes me sleepy just thinking of installing these tires all day long on a conveyor full of Dumpers......ZZZZZZZZZZZ kwakers