51c AEC 8-Wheel Tipper

[Idris]

The NAMC’s “Catalog of all Series Matchbox Models” (second edition) and the AIM “1-75 Series Regular Wheels” catalogue (second printing, 1983) both carry details of a casting variation not described elsewhere. This concerns the rearwards extension of the chassis rails which form the bracket for the tipper hinge. Both catalogues detail castings with thicker and thinner chassis rails. (Note that this refers to the width rather than the height of the members.)
AIM codes them as 51-3a (orange, Douglas, white grill, with tow slot) and 51-3b (yellow, Douglas, silver grille, with tow slot), whilst NAMC has 51-3G (yellow, Pointer, silver grille, no tow slot) and 51-3H (yellow, Pointer, silver grille, with tow slot). More research is needed to determine which of Nick's variations exist with thin chassis rails and which with thick. If we assume, as seems probably, that the thin rails represent an early casting, stock of which were occasionally unearthed in the stockroom, then it is highly likely that some variations will be found to exist with both.
As if that were not enough, Houghton lists a variation at 51c-5 which is the equivalent of Nick's code 11 (orange, Pointer, silver grille, no tow guide, wide on right), but with a white grille.
Stannard has no variations not already detailed by Nick and U.K. Matchbox did not examine the model.
To close, it should be remembered that there is also an orange, silver grille models with monochrome Douglas labels. These have reversed lettering (i.e. Douglas is in white on a black background). Roughly ten examples have come to light over the last four or five years from a number of different sources and are a mixture of playworn and mint. (Interestingly, none has been found boxed.) Their origins are unknown at present, but they probably represent a promotional issue.

[mike]

Thank you Hugh.
I have already mentioned on this page.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3153

Gruß Mike.

[Idris]

I have already mentioned on this page. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3153

No Mike, that's something different (and I think it's already covered by Nick's listings). I am referring to width of the chassis brackets which hold the tipper pin.

[mike]

I have already mentioned on this page. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3153

No Mike, that's something different (and I think it's already covered by Nick's listings). I am referring to width of the chassis brackets which hold the tipper pin.

Sorry Hugh.
I think I was too long in the mountains.

[matchboxuk]

The NAMC’s “Catalog of all Series Matchbox Models” (second edition) and the AIM “1-75 Series Regular Wheels” catalogue (second printing, 1983) both carry details of a casting variation not described elsewhere. This concerns the rearwards extension of the chassis rails which form the bracket for the tipper hinge. Both catalogues detail castings with thicker and thinner chassis rails. (Note that this refers to the width rather than the height of the members.)
AIM codes them as 51-3a (orange, Douglas, white grill, with tow slot) and 51-3b (yellow, Douglas, silver grille, with tow slot), whilst NAMC has 51-3G (yellow, Pointer, silver grille, no tow slot) and 51-3H (yellow, Pointer, silver grille, with tow slot). More research is needed to determine which of Nick's variations exist with thin chassis rails and which with thick. If we assume, as seems probably, that the thin rails represent an early casting, stock of which were occasionally unearthed in the stockroom, then it is highly likely that some variations will be found to exist with both.
As if that were not enough, Houghton lists a variation at 51c-5 which is the equivalent of Nick's code 11 (orange, Pointer, silver grille, no tow guide, wide on right), but with a white grille.
Stannard has no variations not already detailed by Nick and U.K. Matchbox did not examine the model.
To close, it should be remembered that there is also an orange, silver grille models with monochrome Douglas labels. These have reversed lettering (i.e. Douglas is in white on a black background). Roughly ten examples have come to light over the last four or five years from a number of different sources and are a mixture of playworn and mint. (Interestingly, none has been found boxed.) Their origins are unknown at present, but they probably represent a promotional issue.

Hugh

I don't think I can be of much help regarding the 8 wheel AEC Tipper.

I have 9 variations, but only the first variation with white grille is easily accessible. The other 8 are in a Matchbox display which would require dismantling two other displays. I have two yellow trucks with Douglas labels. I use Stannard to catalogue my models and so I am unable to differentiate the variations mentioned above further. However, I do make note of the fact that variation 15 comes with thick and thin number plates. Has this been mentioned previously?

I have never seen the monochrome labels.

I wonder whether all of Stannard's variations exist. It appears with the base variations that he has included two A and two B bases as a "catch-all". Has Nick been able to confirm that all 16 variations listed by Stannard do in fact exist?

Sorry I am not able to be of further assistance.

Nigel

[nickjones]

Hi Nigel.
I have not confirmed that all 16 variations found in the Stannard exist but in my experience anything listed in the Stannard can be found, I don't think Michael listed anything in his book unless he had actually seen the model in hand. Of course there is the occasional mistake and the possibility that some items listed were actually pre productions so are not generally available but on the whole Michael's book cannot be faulted.

[Idris]

I have never seen the monochrome labels.

You have now!

[MOKOSEX]

The lugs on the chassis and the tipper body are thin on the pre pro.
dave

[Tinman]

Do you mean the tipper stops?

[Idris]

Do you mean the tipper stops?

It's the part of the chassis which the tipper pivot passes through.