Hi All,i dont seem to understand what im quite looking at so i would appreciate your opinions and to confirm if this specimen is a Nicks Code 1a or other.
Thanks in advance,
numi
#19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
#19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
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numi
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Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
Numi, RW's are not my main interest but i am trying to learn a bit as i go along and therefore, for what its worth, i noticed that your #19 has the longer exhaust bracket aswell which would tie up with Nicks new 1a code.
I also noticed that your example has different racing numbers on the side than on the bonnet??
I also noticed that your example has different racing numbers on the side than on the bonnet??
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Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
Thanks MM for your promp concerned response,most appreciated and yeah,ure gonna do just fine learning the RW ropes...motorman wrote:Numi, RW's are not my main interest but i am trying to learn a bit as i go along and therefore, for what its worth, i noticed that your #19 has the longer exhaust bracket aswell which would tie up with Nicks new 1a code.
I also noticed that your example has different racing numbers on the side than on the bonnet??
Yes, this could be an oddity or perhaps and unknown variation with more out there having the #5 side decals as opposed to the usual #3.I quite like it though!
Where are the RW experts on this?...
numi
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Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
No experts here, just we veterans still learning from 'The Kids'.......... kwakers is off to work right now, but I love those odd side decals Numi, more later if I don't 'Crash'........
Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
We had discussed the code table on this 19D being a little bit confused Numi because of the orange models not being mixed in with the green ones in the earliest timelines. Also, the decal guides were on the original bodies, not added later as Nick's notes still state, they were omitted well after the change to labels was done, much later in production. All four axle rings were also on the first castings, but later as the dies were damaged, they were removed one at a time on two different die sets, giving a couple of different combinations we Forum members have found and discussed.
The model you are showing us has the long exhaust brace, the early body with the decal lines, the two different sizes of base lettering, but yours has only three axle rings, not 4 as on most early suspensions. Nick's 1A 'Biggles variation' should be moved a bit later in my opinion, leaving the 1 code reserved for only the rare short exhaust variation Lotus in both green and orange body colors. That is the feature which makes this first variation the rarest to find, so perhaps using the A's to note the same model in it's orange color would correct Stannard's out of timeline codes in a Positive way. The two different size base lettering came much later in production, so the same size lettering base with long exhaust brace should be code 2. The Code 3 should be the guideline body with two size base lettering with 4 axle rings as on the 'Biggles' 1A variation. The code 4 should be the mixed base lettering noting the removal of some of the axle rings on the 2 dies. (Your model would be coded here Numi) After those various axle ring combinations are handled, which may take 2-3 codes, the body without decal guides, but with decals and 4 axle rings will be next, followed by the same body with various axle rings removed and finally without any axle rings. Because of your model having one less axle ring, as well as the number 5 side decals Numi, it really has no Nick code applicable to it as his codes are now written. It had been all 4 side rings or none at all before we discussed them in detail here on the Forum in their stages of removal.
The number 5 side decals really makes your model 'Special', so either you or Dad gets the 'Eagle Eye Award' for an odd model I have never seen or heard of before. Please check to make sure the 5 ink is raised on these side decals Numi. If they reflect completely flat, with the black ink under the transparent film, they are later replacement decals.
Your new model is uncoded as of now Numi, but we will get to these 19Ds eventually to correct some 30 year old omissions. kwakers
The model you are showing us has the long exhaust brace, the early body with the decal lines, the two different sizes of base lettering, but yours has only three axle rings, not 4 as on most early suspensions. Nick's 1A 'Biggles variation' should be moved a bit later in my opinion, leaving the 1 code reserved for only the rare short exhaust variation Lotus in both green and orange body colors. That is the feature which makes this first variation the rarest to find, so perhaps using the A's to note the same model in it's orange color would correct Stannard's out of timeline codes in a Positive way. The two different size base lettering came much later in production, so the same size lettering base with long exhaust brace should be code 2. The Code 3 should be the guideline body with two size base lettering with 4 axle rings as on the 'Biggles' 1A variation. The code 4 should be the mixed base lettering noting the removal of some of the axle rings on the 2 dies. (Your model would be coded here Numi) After those various axle ring combinations are handled, which may take 2-3 codes, the body without decal guides, but with decals and 4 axle rings will be next, followed by the same body with various axle rings removed and finally without any axle rings. Because of your model having one less axle ring, as well as the number 5 side decals Numi, it really has no Nick code applicable to it as his codes are now written. It had been all 4 side rings or none at all before we discussed them in detail here on the Forum in their stages of removal.
The number 5 side decals really makes your model 'Special', so either you or Dad gets the 'Eagle Eye Award' for an odd model I have never seen or heard of before. Please check to make sure the 5 ink is raised on these side decals Numi. If they reflect completely flat, with the black ink under the transparent film, they are later replacement decals.
Your new model is uncoded as of now Numi, but we will get to these 19Ds eventually to correct some 30 year old omissions. kwakers
Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
Thanks Kwakers.....im now more confused than before.. 
but i thank u very much for your explanation/opinion & time.I spent more than an hour trying to figure out this code but failed,hence my request for opinions from the forum.
I do not have another #5 decalled casting to compare with right now as they are back home.I presume it should compare to my "5" decalled #52 Yellow Maserati and the #41 Green Jag and will advise when i am able to.
numi
but i thank u very much for your explanation/opinion & time.I spent more than an hour trying to figure out this code but failed,hence my request for opinions from the forum.I do not have another #5 decalled casting to compare with right now as they are back home.I presume it should compare to my "5" decalled #52 Yellow Maserati and the #41 Green Jag and will advise when i am able to.
numi
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Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
To (Maybe) clear up your model (Un-)coding Numi:
It is MOST SIMILAR to the odd 1A 'Biggles' variation in Nick's table right now in most of it's details as you suggest above.
However, It cannot be that code (Only in my opinion) because of your 3 axle rings rather than Biggle's earlier four complete axle rings on his 1A model.
In addition, your '5' side decals are either replacements put on by a former owner, or if you find they are original Lesney factory decals, yours will make a completely new 'rare' uncoded side decal variation that no one has ever recorded before. Even those odd decals change the coding further away from that 1A code currently on Nick's list, so don't be confused, enjoy your oddity. Closely checking those side decals should be your first 'easy' step, even without your other 19s to compare this model to.
Your later staggered lettering base, early body, and the 3 axle ring combination makes this model of yours an uncommon model either way Numi. kwakers
It is MOST SIMILAR to the odd 1A 'Biggles' variation in Nick's table right now in most of it's details as you suggest above.
However, It cannot be that code (Only in my opinion) because of your 3 axle rings rather than Biggle's earlier four complete axle rings on his 1A model.
In addition, your '5' side decals are either replacements put on by a former owner, or if you find they are original Lesney factory decals, yours will make a completely new 'rare' uncoded side decal variation that no one has ever recorded before. Even those odd decals change the coding further away from that 1A code currently on Nick's list, so don't be confused, enjoy your oddity. Closely checking those side decals should be your first 'easy' step, even without your other 19s to compare this model to.
Your later staggered lettering base, early body, and the 3 axle ring combination makes this model of yours an uncommon model either way Numi. kwakers
Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
Or to help you completely clear up any future confusion on this one Numi, just sell me your new 19D model cheap..... 
kwakers
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kwakers,I just checked both the "5" side decals with a loupe and they seem genuine with the raised black print over the white backing.kwakers wrote:
In addition, your '5' side decals are either replacements put on by a former owner, or if you find they are original Lesney factory decals, yours will make a completely new 'rare' uncoded side decal variation that no one has ever recorded before. kwakers
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Re: #19d Lotus- Is this a Code 1a?
The race number '3' on the front of this Lotus is very similar to the number '3' on some of the 'MOY' #Y-5(B) Bentley models, but it is not exactly the same. The race number '5' on the side of this Lotus, is the same as 'MOY' #Y-5(B) Bentley models from the later period of production and is a perfect match.
The Y-5(B) was made from 1962-69, the Lotus #19d was introduced in 1965 and went into 1969 with it's 'Regular Wheels' so could easily be fitted with the race decals used on the Bentley.
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The Y-5(B) was made from 1962-69, the Lotus #19d was introduced in 1965 and went into 1969 with it's 'Regular Wheels' so could easily be fitted with the race decals used on the Bentley.
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