46b Pickfords

[Lrrp59]

I don't want to distract from the ongoing thread concerning the 2 line.
Here's a few of 46's, wish I had more. Codes 1,4,12,13,14,19,20,21,22 and the different boxes that they came in.
I have a few spares, the price one pays on judging 1/2 a mm or thread count due to bad photos, no matter. You can never have enough.
Lastly is a fake 2 line blue. It's a good fake. But fake none the less.

Jeff

[kwakers]

You have my attention on the 2 line model, is there a particular reason you consider it a fake? The axles look O.K. as do the decals on it, so where is the problem?
They are a nice group, especially the rare rear bumper variation, but why is the one blue model a bit lighter than normal? kwakers

[Idris]

You have my attention on the 2 line model, is there a particular reason you consider it a fake? The axles look O.K. as do the decals on it, so where is the problem?

If I'm correctly informed, the bubbling underneath the decal is a cause for concern since this is indicative of the decal being old when applied.

[Lrrp59]

You have my attention on the 2 line model, is there a particular reason you consider it a fake? The axles look O.K. as do the decals on it, so where is the problem?
They are a nice group, especially the rare rear bumper variation, but why is the one blue model a bit lighter than normal? kwakers

Hi Dick,
Hugh is correct about the decal. It's also a repaint. The paint is a dead on match. A very close inspection with a 10x loupe showed some green paint residue around the window frames where the flashing is very heavy. My guess is the faker never really noticed it either.
As to the lighter shade in the picture. That's just a reflection.

Jeff

[kwakers]

The green paint surviving may be a dead giveaway, but bubbles under a decal of this size are very common on some Lesneys. The Sugar Trucks and these Vans are very prone to having a bit of air remaining under their decals. The decals were still applied by hand I am sure, so making sure every air bubble was completely removed would have been way too time consuming on Lesney's line.
The scene on an early American T.V. Show 'I Love Lucy' shows Lucy, (Lucille Ball) on a candy production line eating those candies she could not pack quickly enough comes to mind here. Every American child remembers that scene quite vividly, even 50 years later. I am sure the scene is somewhere online for us even today to enjoy......
As I think about these Toys on Lesney's conveyor type production line, what a boring and pressured job these decal installers had back then. A faker applying a decal on a single model would have all the time in the world to work any air bubbles out while working on his fake creation. I would be far less suspicious of your decal than a 'Perfect' one......
Now you will have me going to my Cave lab and bringing out my electron microscope to make sure my blue 2 line version is 100% the correct blue around all it's windows. kwakers

[johnboy]

This must be it Dick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPzLBSBzPI

I can now see a few spots of green paint around the rear wheels arches. Just keeping an open mind on these, is it possible these were oversprayed in the factory or is that a silly suggestion? We don't understand why they changed from blue to green livery or whether there were any green trial pieces made that were recycled into the last of the blue production.

[kwakers]

Johnboy you read my MIND. What a scary thought!!!! To poke the bear a bit, I think there could be a possibility that Lesney repainted some green Vans on the line for a final order of correct blue color Pickfords promotionals. Please check that base and the rivets on this one very well to see when and how the color change was done on your example. Your axles look very factory Lesney on their riveted ends from what we can see without your loupe, not at all fake. Your 20 count GPW fits the known existing promotional's timeline, so could we have another red 32A here with models painted over at the factory. We have seen this and discussed it before on other Lesneys, but never on this model. kwakers

[kwakers]

Thanks for the U Tube Lucy link John, it is still funny 50+ years later, and it still reminds me of Nick's pictures of the Lesney toy production line he has posted on his site. Imagine sliding slippery decals on Lesney Toys all day as a job when they pass by on a belt, Wow!
Antonin has posted a picture of his 2 line green Pickfords on another thread along with some of it's known history with him.
We both have an open mind on Jeff's Van here, so he may have to educate us a bit more on any problems with it before we give it up as a Fake......kwakers

[Lrrp59]

Thanks for the U Tube Lucy link John, it is still funny 50+ years later, and it still reminds me of Nick's pictures of the Lesney toy production line he has posted on his site. Imagine sliding slippery decals on Lesney Toys all day as a job when they pass by on a belt, Wow!
Antonin has posted a picture of his 2 line green Pickfords on another thread along with some of it's known history with him.
We both have an open mind on Jeff's Van here, so he may have to educate us a bit more on any problems with it before we give it up as a Fake......kwakers

Other than what I mentioned there are no other problems. I never new that Lesney repainted models, so from that tidbit my level of optimism may have been raised. I thinking about going to Albuquerque in July. I'll be sure to take with me.

Jeff

[Diecast]

Other than what I mentioned there are no other problems. I never new that Lesney repainted models, so from that tidbit my level of optimism may have been raised. I thinking about going to Albuquerque in July. I'll be sure to take with me.

Jeff

Hi Jeff
Your repainted 2-lines blue/green model is very interesting and maybe it can explain the existence of 2-line green Pickfords. I totally agree with Dick what he has written. I have also one repainted model 50a Commer Pick-up, originally in rare white/red combination unfortunatelly repainted in the factory to grey/red
Antonin