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Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:46 am
by kwakers
I do see the odd green areas along the base on your pictured example Hugh, but the wheelwells that can be seen look quite perfect in their darker blue color without any hint of the same spotting. I would have said this body was re-sprayed rather than faded perfectly in all but 5% of it's exposed surfaces. If this model were available, I would buy it to analyze and to share my results in hand with our members. Such strange models can tell an interesting story when carefully studied in hand rather than in pictures only. Could some early batches of this #33 body been overpainted at the factory in a fashion similar to the 32A white ones that were re-sprayed to red around 1960. The inside of the body may have been left green intentionally on some of those, leading to the 2 tone "Perfect paint" models that some collectors have shown us. I would love to own one of those also, no matter what you may think Hugh.... :D That factory body re-painting move makes no sense to us today, but yet it has been accepted as fact because several 32A models exist that clearly show the original white coat under the final much lighter showing red final coat. Later painted over metal factory red models show much darker, leading to a color variation commonly known in America but missed by Mike Stannard in his 1985 guide.
On our own very sunfaded blue #42B Studebaker Lark Wagon, it faded to a much lighter powder blue rather than turn a darker blue. For that matter, most sunfaded colors in the Lesney lineup tend to lighten up in color with severe sunlight exposure rather than darken as you propose Hugh. I have heard of intentionally over-exposed Lesneys turning darker though, but I have never engaged in any experiments to check those claims. I would love a blue roofed 29B Austin Cambridge for our collection because I remain unconvinced that all examples are the result of sun exposure rather than paint formulation variations used right from the Lesney Factory.
Our collecting is not only based on our knowledge of Lesney history and our personal preferences and tastes, but also on keeping an open mind when viewing oddities when they turn up today. There are still lots of questions to be answered in the world of Lesney Toys.....Kwakers

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:26 am
by Idris
kwakers wrote:Could some early batches of this #33 body been overpainted at the factory in a fashion similar to the 32A white ones that were re-sprayed to red around 1960. The inside of the body may have been left green intentionally on some of those, leading to the 2 tone "Perfect paint" models that some collectors have shown us.
Another interesting possibility.

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:05 pm
by GHOSTHUNTER
Is there enough evidence for a thread just for the Lesney factory 'Over-Paints' such as #32a mentioned by Dick in his above posting and I believe some examples of #13d Dodge Wrecker Truck.

This must be quite a common practice with toy and model companies in general not just with Lesney, We have featured a Dinky Toys model on the forum with 'Over-Painted' components, I have examples of 'Yesteryears' that are 'Over-Painted' so it seems logical models in the 'Regular Wheels' range would be treated the same.

GHOSTHUNTER.

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:20 pm
by Idris
GHOSTHUNTER wrote:Is there enough evidence for a thread just for the Lesney factory 'Over-Paints' such as #32a mentioned by Dick in his above posting and I believe some examples of #13d Dodge Wrecker Truck.
Good idea!
To the best of my knowledge, only one example of an overpainted 13d has been found and that was by our very own Mick (SMS88). It was the just rear section which appeared to have originally been yellow (i.e. from a revsrse-colour wrecker) but which had been overpainted for use as part of a normal realease. Quite a find!
I think we also had sight of a TP Field Car in olive drab which appeared to have been resprayed over bright orange.

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:00 pm
by nearlymint
I have a Wildlife truck that has been overpainted white on the standard yellow as well . J

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:48 pm
by GHOSTHUNTER
Thank's Hugh, it was Mick's example that I was thinking about, not sure if he posted any pictures of it here on the forum but maybe on 'Befora'.

GHOSTHUNTER.

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:50 pm
by GHOSTHUNTER
Thank's Jason, keep it handy for some pictures, we might have an 'Over-Painted' thread for it soon.

GHOSTHUNTER.

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:08 pm
by Idris
GHOSTHUNTER wrote:Thank's Hugh, it was Mick's example that I was thinking about, not sure if he posted any pictures of it here on the forum but maybe on 'Befora'.
Can't find it here, so that points to Befora.

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:30 am
by kwakers
That is a Great idea on a thread for some Lesney overpaints Ghosty. It may be a very slow growing thread, but it may be the only documentation of some of the most interesting "undiscovered" oddities in Lesney history. I remember hearing about the Wrecker in question, but none of the details about it have stuck with me. I will look forward to hearing more on that one and any oddities that may turn up as collectors review models they may not have recognized as being important till reading such a thread. Kwakers

Re: Dark Blue 33 Ford Zodiac.

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:18 pm
by GHOSTHUNTER
Thank you Dick, may I first say its great seeing you posting again.

Yes, I expect it will be a slow running thread, because not all 'Over-Painted' models will be that obvious, especially the 'Regular Wheel' and 'Superfast' models because of their design and method of manufacture. 'Yesteryears' on the other hand are much easier to see, as immediately they exhibit a thick layer of the top coat of paint with a loss of definition in the detail.

I am not sure where the thread should be, or if all the Lesney product lines should be together. My feeling is they should be together because there won't be enough turning up in each individual range to warrant separate threads.

GHOSTHUNTER.