10 ton pressure refueller n° with black wheels

[johnboy]

Ah yes, thanks for the link Hugh.

[Tinman]

Sorry if I insist but I would like to know how he did (the forger) has come axes inside the wheels without damaging them visibly .I try to make out the wheels by the axes but it is impossible! Their hole is too small! Then the hole of the "wheel arches "is also too small to make pass the head of axes.Thanks.

I do see visable damage to the wheels.

[Tinman]

Your remarks 1 and 2 are the same.
"Tooling marks on axle round over.
Tooling marks on axle."

I can add another similar remarks:
Tooling marks on axle on the left
Tooling marks on axle on the right
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I do not see any visible or suspicious traces on the axles, from the enclosed photos it is impossible to assert responsibly that they were manipulated.

Your remarks 3, 4, 5 have the same meaning, but each in other words, and they coincide with what Dick said, and what I am asserting too.
"Distress damage to plastic around hole in wheel.
Signs of drilling the wheel supports.
Oversize hole in wheel."

Antonin

I see what looks like the round over having the edges filed off (1).
Spots where the file has rubbed on the axle proper below the round over, leaving flat shiny spots (2).
Distress to the wheel's plastic at the axle hole (3).
Signs of drilling or filing the zamack axle supports (4).
Signs of the wheel's axle holes being enlarged (5).
Parallel striation marks from what looks like the teeth in a pair of needle nose pliers on the axle itself (6).

For me any two of these would be enough to pass on this model (much less all of them). Since this is a super rare wheel variation, my stand is "guilty until proven innocent" and I see nothing in favor of this being anything other than a fake.

The model was placed into discussion and my opinion is FAKE and those are the reasons behind my opinion.

[Diecast]

my remark to your 1: I see what looks like the round over having the edges filed off (1).
rounded edges sometimes occur and there is nothing suspicious on it

my remark to your 2: Spots where the file has rubbed on the axle proper below the round over, leaving flat shiny spots (2).
From the photo it is hard to responsibly assess whether it is a flat shinny spots from the file or shinny reflection or only an optical illusions. the quality of the photo does not allow me to judge it responsibly.

my remarks to your 3, 4, 5: with these arguments I essentially agree. For (4) I need more detailed photos.
Antonin

[lesney0905]

I accept your doubts, but my question is as follows: the ends of the axes are rounded, as can be in a fake? The consistency of the end I think the same as all the rest, I do not think that there is the added metal, thanks

[Diecast]

First of all, I will not judge here whether the model is a fake or not. I want just to point out improper argument, that the axles must have the sharp edges. I have found one model with almost the same edges ( flat filed edge, slanting edges, flat top), but with common GPW ø9,5x20 (I hope no one here does not assume that it is a fake ).
Antonin

[Diecast]

please compare it with this photo, I think my axles are much more repulsive

[GHOSTHUNTER]

Antonin my dear friend, the example you have shown with Grey Plastic Wheels is fine, perfectly normal rusty axle-ends, slightly mis-matched 'End-Overs', what we are concerned with on the model with Black Plastic Wheels, is the area of the axle not touched by a machine at Lesney, this is the few millimeters of the axle shaft you can see between the plastic wheel itself and the 'End-Overs', the finish on those surfaces looks like some tool has been used to hold and/or re-profile the axles after fitting the wheels.

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GHOSTHUNTER.

[Diecast]

Sorry Ghosthunter, I have concentrated my attention only on the axles ends. You are right, the two different surfaces are suspicious, but due to poor quality of the photos I do not know if it's a shiny reflection or polished surface or manipulated axles . A better photos would be welcome.
Antonin

[Diecast]

I would just like to point out that sometimes at the end of axles could be two different surfaces (rusted/polished). They can be created by the rotation of the wheels relative to the axles. Sorry for poor photo.
Antonin