miura 33

[motorman]

Hope you're lucky Kurt. Didn't Jason have one, or is my memory playing up? (I am over 50 you know) Perhaps is was a Regular Wheels.

You might be right JB, silly me something in the back of my head is also telling me that J had shown one before. I am also over 50 and my memory is not as good as it was 2 days ago!!!

I think the similar specimen ure both thinking about is the one which Brennan sold to David and subsequently returned.That one could have been real who knows.
numi

Possibly Numi but I was sure Jason had one also now that JB mentioned it. Where are you Jason? Can you confirm if you have one?

[GHOSTHUNTER]

I do not like the worn away paint at the back of the body by the extreme rear end of the baseplate and the way the hot foiling has faded on all wheels. The rivets so far as I can see in the picture are dubious, another model that needs hands on scrutiny.

Ghosthunter.

[nearlymint]

Hi Alex,
No I do not have one of these . The I discussed had very bad base rivets .

J

[motorman]

Hi Alex,
No I do not have one of these . The I discussed had very bad base rivets .

J

Thanks for clearing that up mate.

[kwakers]

The yellow Superfast #33 with white interior sold by Bob Brennen was out of his own collection. He documented that variation in 1971 as his Code "C", and his was definitely a REAL one. He, like Harold Colpitts, stressed honesty in ALL his listings well before any of our best rarities were priced at more than $100 to other collectors. Mick and I had a heated discussion on that particular model AND it's Code because I felt it was foolish of our Forum member to cancel the sale of Bob's model for a full refund even before the model was shipped and in the Forum members hands for inspection. Mick, the "Superfast" expert who knows very little about Bob Brennen, called that model a recent base swap. He was very abusive of my friend Bob's integrity in a Post on our Forum. Mick had seemed to nullify even the existence of this variation initially, but I see it is still listed at Nick's site. An honest man like Bob did not make dishonest mistakes back then, and he certainly would not offer anything that might harm his integrity now.
That is all Forum History from last year, now to the present with Kurt's model:
As for Kurt's pictured here, YES, the base has been cleaned WITH the body attached to it as evidenced by the rear underside paint that is missing. Even the high points of those rivets have been polished up a bit as everyone can see. We can't control what others may have done to clean up a corroded non-plated base at some time in this model's 45 year life, but these smaller rivets look as good to me as any done from the factory on these Miuras. Many early releases have unplated bases that tarnish easily over the years, and I suspect this one had the typical powdered look that seemed easy to "polish off a bit".This may be a prime example of why "Cleaning" baseplates, paint blemishes, or even axles may not be the best idea on some of our rare Lesney variations. The results may lead to negative Forum discussions over the mistakes of former owners, accusations of fakery, and may not lead to the validation of a very rare model. Kurt has held this Miura in his hands and is now happy with it's originality. I am also of like mind about it from his pictures and I think it is O.K., but I do see the reasons why Jason and others may not have complete faith in it. kwakers

[Rob]

The question of rivets keeps cropping up time and time again, for good reasons, and I think a dedicated section with a library of photos of rivets would be very useful for comparison and discussion purposes,

[GHOSTHUNTER]

The question of rivets keeps cropping up time and time again, for good reasons, and I think a dedicated section with a library of photos of rivets would be very useful for comparison and discussion purposes,

...as per this topic, viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4589&start=10#p50639

Ghosthunter.

[Rob]

Yes, things like crimped axles as well would be good in a library.

As an example, to make it easy to use it could maybe be listed in ascending numerical order and each model have its' own page with such photos on it so that the many genuine, and maybe not genuine, examples of rivets, axles, etc can quickly be compared against each other.

We have all seen many varying genuine examples of rivets on the same model, and this sort of quick access visual comparison would over time no doubt benefit the hobby, and keep drawing members new and old.

[GHOSTHUNTER]

If we could get enough members to produce decent pictures of the rivets and axle-ends of their models, they probably should be in each models own casting show that we already have.

Ghosthunter.

[Rob]

Getting decent shots shouldn't be too difficult, where to put them needs to be somewhere where the info can be quickly accessed and ideally not lost among other info like photos and message posts, it wants to be a dedicated area in my opinion.