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Idris wrote:

tjlglass wrote:I personaly wouldn't touch this now even if rare. You have to ask yourself the question why did the winning bidder not have it or the 2nd chance offer either. I have been around too long and seen too many phantom auctions to bother.

Fair point. The word "shill" did cross my mind and, as I've already said elsewhere, I don't this this seller is anywhere near as naive as he makes out to be.

Seller clearly labels repaints in their other auctions as such. That baseplate lacks paint, no way could any text have been ground off that baseplate and then aged. Its the real deal to the best of my skills.

Im convinced that this Jag is the real deal and worth a nominal bid.
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tjlglass wrote:I personaly wouldn't touch this now even if rare. You have to ask yourself the question why did the winning bidder not have it or the 2nd chance offer either. I have been around too long and seen too many phantom auctions to bother.

A very valid point Tim and i have to agree that this does seem rather odd!

IMHO I think the seller done some research, Sussed what it was and tried to inflate the price to it's Max. I won't bid on any of them and price was over inflated anyway. Just my opinion and I could be wrong.

tjlglass wrote:...and price was over inflated anyway....

I agree. (I know it's rare but the condition is pretty poor.)

Looking at the bid history first time tound, it really is amateurish, especially by bidders with over 1,000 feedback who surely know how Ebay bidding works (and also know that there's little point in putting an early bid in). I see a similar pattern of poor bidding practice in the current auction. Add in the fact that the top bidder (nor, apparently, the underbidder) wanted the model and where does all this lead us? To me, it shouts auction manipulation and shill bidding. I think we're all being played by a canny dealer who knew exactly what he had from the word go.
Do other members agree, or am I reading too much into things?

You are calling my bidding practices Amateurish Idris, as well as other Forum members' as well. LOL.......In England it is very common for good models not to get serious bids until the final snipes. Here in the U.S. we sometimes choose to put in our best bid first as 'The Lebanan' admitted to doing here on our Forum, or just continue testing the high bid as on this sale. It indicates the interest is there from U.S. Bidders on both this Jag with GPW and also that 25 GPW Tanker mentioned on another Post. Both models are considered 'Holy Grail' wheel variations here in America. Could they in fact be much more common in England in these 'well enjoyed' conditions? kwakers

I'm intrigued. What's the point in testing the high bid?

I am not the type of person to test the high bid on a rarity by ten or fifteen quid Idris. I try and test it at a much higher figure to separate the Buyers from the tire kickers on a rare Lesney I am really interested in adding from my '40 year old want list'. I don't ever use a snipe program, the man with the most money who is awake on a particular tough coded Lesney always wins, despite the snipes of others at the model's closing. I have put in early bids on some common Lesneys and won them by a pound, or even just lost them by a pound. However, on these extreme rarities as you have also stated, let the deeper pockets pay hundreds more for the Minty ones. I like the used 'originals' at my point in life, and I pay much more than the stated 15 percent of mint that others are looking to pay for them. How many 'Mint' pre-production 3 line GPW Jaguars exist today, and how much is a rough but original example like this one worth if there are no others available anywhere for sale? (Both Hardy and Toyboy have had these for sale along with a couple of others through the years on your side I have seen Idris) I set my value and stick to it, sometimes manually sniping if I am around to do that.
I did not like the smell of all those ultra-rare wheel variations sold today from one Seller that was featured in another Post, so I bid 4 of them very conservatively. To have any one of them and sell it with such poor pictures and with a lousy description is foolish, but all of them in one day? Good luck to the Buyers, I was only close on one of them today......I have no regrets, no home runs, but also no errors....kwakers

I sometimes see it and just wack in a big bid as well Dick. If I really want it I let others chase.