No. 30 Magirus-Deutz Crane Tan colour

[petethesweet]

Hi All I would have liked to have seen some paint being disturb on the front rivet, it could be a repaint its a job to tell unless you have it in your hand. I can see it fetching a fortune plus you have got PayPal & the seller accepts returns Pete.

[jaskelrod]

Hello VBD, this is jaskelrod (which is Jason & Kelly Rodeghier). My user-name is the same on ebay and VBD. I have been on ebay since 2007 and registered with VBD in 2014.

Thank you to the forum member who contacted me regarding the discussion about the tan No.30 Magirus crane I currently have listed on ebay. To address some of the questions in the thread:
-The tan model may appear lighter because I brightened the listing photos to reduce shadows and brighten a background that appeared grey. The model itself is not edited.
-I started to remove the corrosion from the axles with a vinyl eraser, but stopped after the ends on one side (which I regret). That is why the axle ends appear 'shiny' on one side.
-The 'proud' (or protrusion) of the front rivet on the baseplate of the tan model feels no different to me when compared to those on other M-D 30 models.
-The orange jib rivet does seem more ‘recessed’ than the others, but both the rivet and ‘jib’ on the tan model spin as freely as the others, and the orange jib has the same amount of ‘play’ (looseness) when compared to the other M-D 30’s.

I think it is generally accepted that personal examination is the best, and sometimes the only way to confirm authenticity, especially with a ‘rare’, ‘uncommon’, or high-value model. This may be the case here.
Many bids have already been placed on this tan Magirus-Deutz Crane---I know most of the bidders so far, and none of them are novices. I expect this piece to end up in the hands of a knowledgeable Matchbox collector who will evaluate (and confirm) the authenticity of the model, as well as the integrity of the seller (which is a staple of the forum).

Attention has been brought to a VBD post that I submitted a few years ago entitled, “I Hope You Don’t Get What I Got.” The post was regarding a high-value No.6b ‘Euclid Quarry Truck’ with GPW that I had bought and returned to the seller after it was determined that the model was not genuine, but a counterfeit of high-quality. I posted photos and alerted the forum in case the model would re-appear for sale, but I followed (the seller) for over a year, and to my knowledge it did not.

Thank you :)

Jason Rodeghier
(jaskelrod)

[Pierkemimi]

A lot off discussion : question : fake or real model ? Can anyone confirm it. Also to the seller : where did you get this model and when. You don't know me but i'm only interested if it's a real one.

[numi]

Hi Gentlemen,hope u guys doing well.
Base pic.
Numi

[Idris]

You don't know me but i'm only interested if it's a real one.

Since it is being sold with Ebay/PayPal seller protection and the seller is prepared to accept returns, this must be viewed as a no-risk purchase.

[Idris]

Hi Gentlemen,hope u guys doing well.
Base pic.
Numi

Same ring around the jib rivet and a paint-filled baseplate rivet too.

[Moyboy]

Note the thin spray recess areas on this one. I also notice the wear on the cab base on first model (sale one) with wear to bottoms of wheel lugs whereas almost no wear on rear wheel lug bottoms. There are no thin spray areas on the 1st with an even coat all over - I have to go with repaint I'm afraid.

[numi]

Hi Gentlemen,hope u guys doing well.
Base pic.
Numi

Same ring around the jib rivet and a paint-filled baseplate rivet too.

You don't know me but i'm only interested if it's a real one.

Since it is being sold with Ebay/PayPal seller protection and the seller is prepared to accept returns, this must be viewed as a no-risk purchase.

Hi Idris the Paypal buyer/seller protection wont matter especially it seems that the current bidders have little or no clue how to distinguish a repainted custom from the genuine model and im positive 99-1 the model in question wont get returned.

There seems to be no such ring on the model in question,..as far as i note.
I would expect this seller to do the honorable thing and end the listing and if any one of us either condone this sale or
remain quiet or turn a blind eye then we are all just as guilty!
Jason is a helluva nice guy but this instant doesnt help our hobby or the fraternity!
Numi

[Sebastian10]

Numi

Thank you for showing your model - its nice to see such a great photo of an original example.

There seems to be a marked difference in colour between your model and the one currently for sale

On closer examination of the model for sale there seems to be some damage to the wheels on the middle axle as if they have been held in some from of gripping tool e.g. pliers.

Also there is a white mark on the inside hub of the 3rd axle (bottom left of attached photo) which might be the remains of masking fluid/tape that has not been completely removed.

Further bidding seems to have stalled on the ebay model - however I suspect it might take off again as the auction draws to a close

Best wishes

Sebastian

[yellowfoden]

I am generally not a fan of commenting on live auctions however after reading several posts I see a need to offer some background on this model.
I also note that Jason (Jaskelrod) has been asked how this model was acquired but no response has come forward as yet.

This model was offered at auction in USA back in 2009 and the opinion was divided on its authenticity then as well. Having viewed other images from that period there were a few things that did not sit well with me then. A paint test was also promised but I have never heard of the outcome of that subject.
To my knowledge it did not attract any bids.

In 2014 this very model was offered for sale on this forum with a new set of photos. However my search for this topic has not found the thread. It appears to have been deleted.


The following three points have not been covered in previous posts.
From my previous notes ( in my kwakers like note book ) on this model I made reference to the fact that the ejector ring looks proud under the strap. The difference here is that all known genuine 30b tan either orange or red boom models the ejector ring is either recessed or flush. In other words very early production.

Another difference is the silver trim is somewhat thick compared to known genuine models where the mask spray is quite fine and in all cases seen where the bumper is concerned the mask spray is only ever on the front.

Another obvious difference is the type of hook used being the thick type. On over 19 other tan versions recorded the hook is the thin type, identified easily because of the gap between the ropes.
The thick hook to my knowledge only started to be used on the silver wheel versions. Eg at Nick’s code 7 or M.J Stannard code 6. This hook puts it outside the existing timeline.

Now if this should turn out to be genuine I guess we have an unlisted model.

Bert