41c Ford GT40

[kwakers]

I just re-read Johnboy's Post, and I stand corrected on Nicks not even mentioning these commonly seen inverted labels, and also not noting the less common decaled #9 Racers in his listings. A footnote is definitely in order on those models, even if they are to be considered errors rather than deserving of new codes. kwakers

[GHOSTHUNTER]

What I want to see on the forum is a standardised terminology of the colours we see on our models, because what I might classs as matt Black might be classed as flat or satin Black by someone else, leading to non existent models.

For some time I was searching for a model (not the GT 40), that had been recorded as having a flat Black baseplate, it never turned up, but in my collection I have Two models with (to me), Satin Black baseplates, so are these the same model and I had them all the while!!

GHOSTHUNTER.

[kwakers]

You probably have had what Nick referred to as the flat black base on your 41Cs all this time Ghosty. On the very early Lesney toys like the 41A Jaguar and the 22A Vauxhall, you can see what you and I consider a true 'flat black' base. Technically, Lesney used a more satin black base paint on later models rather than that early true flat black, but we regular wheel collectors never noted that difference in the language we have been using for decades now. AIM or MICA may have used one term while the NAMC Guide and Stannards may have used another in their Lesney Guides that have been published over the years. They may have never even noted these two base treatments. ('Colorblind' Stannard LOL ) That is why Hugh is presently sorting through all the different codes in these various publications (for just that reason) and comparing them to Nick's present listing codes.
Back to the base black paints: Over time, and with ANY amount of playtime, those later satin black bases turn so close to the early truly flat black ones in viewing them, I personally have only stuck with either the 'flat', or the 'gloss' nomenclature to record these base paint differences on our own models. The beauty of collecting Ghosty is that you can also choose to use the 3rd term of 'satin' in your diecast codes if you wish to be very precise in recording your own models' base paint features. No Rules, just ask the confused when you need several different answers here... kwakers

[GHOSTHUNTER]

Hi Kwakers, the Two models I mention that was in my collection all the time have bases that to me (a person who has worked with many paints and finishes through my jobs), have 'Satin' Black baseplates, a finish that falls between Gloss and Matt, they are the Three basic finishes for any colour we choose to use in our lives.

Unfortunately the paint companies found ways of modifying these to give us a truly High Gloss finish and some less of a Gloss finish which can only be classed as flat finishes.

At what point a flat finish becomes a satin finish I do not know, but going back to model baseplates, all Three basic finishes can be found across the regular wheel range and while I am happy to adopt a terminology used by Nick in His code listing, I would hope others can do the same so we are all on the same page, this way a member can then say he or she has a so and so model with Satin baseplate and if that model was only ever released in one colour with it's Satin baseplate, the next person who comes along and says he has the same model with a flat Black baseplate, we know he means Satin and should adopt the same terminology.

We don't have a problem with a Gloss finish, that's pretty obvious but please can we standardise on how we describe Matt, Flat or Satin Black because if we don't, new members will get even more confused about their models.

GHOSTHUNTER.

[kwakers]

I was looking through Nick's listings the other day and I did find that on the 36A Austin A50 model, Nick had made use of your three baseplate 'black' distinctions Ghosty. They were a first flat black base, a satin black base, and finally a gloss black base on the final versions of that model. Perhaps that means from now on as Nick's codes are being updated, we will see all three of these black paint types used as you are suggesting, only when applicable. If it means anything, I as a detail collector never really catalogued my regular wheel 'black' bases as being different from one another on certain codes until the distinction was noted on these right here on our Forum 2 or 3 years ago. I had seen the change in these black bases' finish through the years in our stores in person in the 60s, but I left all my models coded as Stannard did just as having their bases 'black'. It seems maybe your request will be granted as future updates on other models' bases are noted Ghosty......kwakers