No.11e Flying Bug “VW” casting variation.

[matchbox360]

Another thing, my ‘higher logo’ model (square label) has “6” stamped under the winglet at the rear, and my ‘lower logo’ (rounded label) has “2” in the same place. Probably the die/mould numbers, it’s something extra for reference and identification purposes.

I find the easiest way to tell the ‘higher logo’ from the ‘lower logo’ (at a glance) is to look for a ‘gap’ between the logo and the curved lines on the bonnet (hood). The ‘lower logo’ is practically touching these lines, whereas the ‘higher logo’ sits noticeably away from them.

Happy hunting... and sleuthing!

Cheers, Ken

[fixer]

just had a quick look at mine the higher logo one has #2 under the wing , the lower logo one has #1
the higher logo has no reinforcements to the base
lower logo has the reinfocements

[ChFalkensteiner]

Thanks for the responses!

If the "high logo" body casting is only found combined with the base without the supports at the front, that would mean that it is an early casting and that the body mould(s) was (were) changed early on to shift the logo in a lower position (for whatever reason - perhaps realism?).

It is too early yet for me to be sure about this, but I will investigate the matter further whenever I have the chance.

[ChFalkensteiner]

Another thing, my ‘higher logo’ model (square label) has “6” stamped under the winglet at the rear, and my ‘lower logo’ (rounded label) has “2” in the same place. Probably the die/mould numbers, it’s something extra for reference and identification purposes.

I can confirm that the die numbers on the winglets go from 1 to 6, as they do that on my examples too.

The winglet is a separate part on this model, so its die number has nothing to do with the body casting variation.

[matchbox360]

Thanks, Reg and Christian, for your informative replies!

I will be sure to examine every 11e I come across from now on, as this is certainly an early, limited production variant (higher logo). There is still the question of whether this higher logo was re-done again in the "high" position, hence explaining the difference in logo detail between mine and Reg's models. Also, as mentioned previously, I'm fairly certain that the 2 top lobes of the 'bonnet-heart' on my 'higher logo' are slightly wider. Of course, this needs further analysis, but if true, suggests that the entire bonnet (hood) linework was altered when the logo was moved to its 'lower' position.

Cheers, Ken

[nearlymint]

Some interesting information, i will be looking at these now. I only have a couple both with low logo,s. J

[matchbox360]

Hi Jason, thanks for your input.

Do either (or both) of your ‘low’ logo models have the ‘square’ label?

It’s now established that in the 11e’s case, there are four Logo-Label variants in existence: 1) the default low logo with rounded label, 2) Reg’s high logo with rounded label, 3) My high logo with square label and 4) Christian has said that all his seven examples have the low logo, and he’s sure to have at least one square label among them. It’s interesting that the square labels themselves made it into the ‘low logo’ production run. The converse is also true, as shown by Reg’s ‘high logo’ model with rounded label.

On a side note, I think this variation should be named simply ‘High’ and ‘Low’ Logo (not ‘Higher’/’Lower’ as I previously suggested).. short ‘n sweet, huh?

Cheers, Ken

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[Pierkemimi]

Can anyone show me with and without reinforcements to the base ? The two models I have shown looks the same.

[fixer]

Can anyone show me with and without reinforcements to the base ? The two models I have shown looks the same.

If you look on Christian's site there is a picture showing the front of the base the reinforcement is to the front of the wheel it's the infilling to the corners (hope I got that right )
Can't picture mine doing an emergency bank job tonight