unlisted variation by 75b Ferrari Berlinetta

[johnboy]

A wonderful looking model, thanks for posting the photos. Looks like an earlier casting without headlight cowls, do you know the story Ralph, I haven't seen colour trials on any 75b before.

[SMS88]

very interesting question - never checked it! ---see yourself! it's much lighter!!!

This gold doesnt match any 1-75 series but perhaps could match a YY????
Hardy Ristau has mentioned multiple colour trial #75b survive in #28 Jag brown but gold is a new one for this forum. Silver baseplate finish is identical to those on the early issue greens.

[mbox75]

Hallo Ralph
hab gar nicht gewusst das sich solch ein schönes Stück auch in Deiner Sammlung befindet.Wusste nur von Charlies und Hardys Modellen Bescheid.Gratuliere Habe Deine Mail erhalten,bekommst nächstens mal ein Telefon.

Gruss Mathias.

[SMS88]

It has just occurred to me that we know the earliest 1-75 series to have chemically plated baseplates all joined the range in the first half of 1965 with silver painted baseplates ( #20c,#45b + #75b ) -perhaps this could be because either the plating machine wasnt available when production began or as with previous models like the #65b + #35b the decision to replace silver paint with chemical plating was taken purely as a response to the successful launch of real competition in 1965 ( , Husky at Woolworths late 1964 with chromed baseplates a big selling point ).

[matchboxgrizzly]

Yes ,I know a little about the story of this model...!!!
It was first sold by Vectis around 2000 in one of the first Matchbox Magic Auctions for around 4000 GBP to a telephone bidder (it was - now I know it - Scott Gillogly ).
I was there in person at this auction in London and was viewing the model before the auction - but I was more interested in "normal" models at this time and it was too high price in my opinion.
I myself bought the model in 2008 at Vectis from the Scott Gillogly Collection for (also high price) of GBP 1700 if I remember right. Because it was at the end of the day many bidders had spend much money and I think this was good for me...

[SMS88]

Yes ,I know a little about the story of this model...!!!
It was first sold by Vectis around 2000 in one of the first Matchbox Magic Auctions for around 4000 GBP to a telephone bidder (it was - now I know it - Scott Gillogly ).
I was there in person at this auction in London and was viewing the model before the auction - but I was more interested in "normal" models at this time and it was too high price in my opinion.
I myself bought the model in 2008 at Vectis from the Scott Gillogly Collection for (also high price) of GBP 1700 if I remember right. Because it was at the end of the day many bidders had spend much money and I think this was good for me...

Thankyou for the inside information, very interesting to know that high end cars can lose big chunks of value when bidiots have run out of money! I still wonder what other models Lesney used this gold shade on -there was at least one 1960s model,the YY Rolls that used this gold as far as I know......

[GHOSTHUNTER]

1974, Y-7 Rolls-Royce..jpg (47.94 KiB) Viewed 1093 times

Here is the Y-7, 1912 Rolls-Royce in metallic Gold-Beige. It is the only one I know of in a similar colur to the Ferrari. This particular Y-7 comes from the 1974 re-launched range and while there are now recorded shades of the colour on this model, I don't think they will match the Ferrari. The Ferrari needs to be photographed with a few of these Y-7 models to be certain.

GHOSTHUNTER.

[kwakers]

This one appears to have no headlight or grill paint at all. Yet another regular wheel I have never seen or heard of before, and yet another bit of knowledge concerning the existence of pre-pros of this Ferarri. Thanks for the Post and also the follow up information on this one. It is a real beauty! kwakers

[kwakers]

Hello Antonin! I have an opinion on your roof rivets that hold in the widow glaze on these Ferraris. It is my opinion that you have shown us 3 variations in your post. The roof rivet you note as parellell to the base is a fully riveted one, while the perpendicular one is just one that the riveter did not fully finish correctly. I also have one that is very similar to that one, but finished just a little lower. I would just consider that an error, and not a new style rivet treatment at all. That is my thought on those 2 that you show for comparison. The third one with jagged uneven edges was done with the same riveting tool while it was not spinning. This happens a lot on some base rivets, and was recently discussed here just last week. The fourth one that you note as an unfinished rivet is actually what I call a chisel cut rivet. The round rivet has been split in half with a chisel, forcing the two sides to put pressure down on the window glaze. I have the exact chisel cut roof rivet on 2 of my variations of the #25 Ford Cortina, but Stannard and Nick's Guides do not show that type rivet treatment at all. If it was an unfinished roof rivet, it would still be totally round and untouched as those commonly found on the early #25 Ford Cortinas.
I agree with the window glazing types you have shown, but add that 'No 75' is found between the 2 front roof ejectors on all (?) the types of glaze, but very few have that single number on the side that you have nicely pictured here. Thanks for the updates. kwakers

[Diecast]

Hello Antonin! I have an opinion on your roof rivets that hold in the widow glaze on these Ferraris. It is my opinion that you have shown us 3 variations in your post. The roof rivet you note as parellell to the base is a fully riveted one, while the perpendicular one is just one that the riveter did not fully finish correctly. I also have one that is very similar to that one, but finished just a little lower. I would just consider that an error, and not a new style rivet treatment at all. That is my thought on those 2 that you show for comparison. The third one with jagged uneven edges was done with the same riveting tool while it was not spinning. This happens a lot on some base rivets, and was recently discussed here just last week. The fourth one that you note as an unfinished rivet is actually what I call a chisel cut rivet. The round rivet has been split in half with a chisel, forcing the two sides to put pressure down on the window glaze. I have the exact chisel cut roof rivet on 2 of my variations of the #25 Ford Cortina, but Stannard and Nick's Guides do not show that type rivet treatment at all. If it was an unfinished roof rivet, it would still be totally round and untouched as those commonly found on the early #25 Ford Cortinas.
I agree with the window glazing types you have shown, but add that 'No 75' is found between the 2 front roof ejectors on all (?) the types of glaze, but very few have that single number on the side that you have nicely pictured here. Thanks for the updates. kwakers

Hi Dick
I also tend to think that there are only 3 types of rivets. The first could be done by the wrong riveting, but theoretically it could be caused also by the bad riveting bed. Thanks for checking it.
Antonin