#23 caravan with windows

[kwakers]

OOPs, it was Idris and Jazz who I disagree with,! Mick's feeling of questioning everything and anything this Seller now or has presented agree with mine. Sorry Mick, we are of the same mind here. A reputation has been ruined, but perhaps for the welfare of our hobby? kwakers

[Idris]

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with Kwaker's summary of the facts (as we kthink we know the), all I'm saying is let's not be judge and jury.

[Broughton]

I do not want to be a judge, but this is an excerpt from his authenticity:

".....Ich garantiere die Echtheit eines jeden von mir angebotenen Artikels! Keine neulackierten / umgebauten / gefälschten Modelle ....."

(".....I guarantee the authenticity of any article offered by me! No repainted / converted / faked models.....")

Is the caravan an individual case or is such a thing happened several times?

[kwakers]

The Caravan is one he has apparently justified to Christian as being alright to 'reproduce using a known pre-pro only component'. Where is that statement on the expensive offering of it at his E Bay Store? Nowhere to be found. Many decal variations and strange models have come from Hardy and can be seen listed at his store. If it's O.K. to play games with this very expensive pre-pro Trailer without proper disclosure, why not other pre-pros he has sold/ is now offering? Just the facts of this Caravan now lead us to suspect everything offered there. Some variations of decals, etc. can never be proved as having been switched or faked. They are bought on trust. kwakers, whose trusting eyes have been opened wide.......

[Tinman]

I Agree with Mick and Dick on this issue. Trust has been broken and lies have been told to cover up that fact.

With regard to the disclaimer: Once you say that you never do something ... and then you turn around and do the very thing you promise to never do ... your promise and your word has become meaningless! If that person continues to displaying such a disclaimer, it's nothing short of a big fat lie.

I see a trial going on an the outcome is that Hardy will be judged by a jury of his peers.

Dick used an analogy, so I'll do the same. There was once an American leader who got caught red handed doing some things that were very wrong. Despite the fact that he had accomplished some very note worthy goals, he was stripped of his Senior Statesman status and his opinion on all future matters was deemed worthless. His opinion was never again considered, never wanted and always thought of as useless.

Hardy now falls into the same category. His opinion is now worthless. Regardless of how much he knows or how deep his experience, the lies, the cover up and the crime invalidate all of this and his opinion is not trustworthy and useless.

The next time some member posts a link or a number to one of his auctions and asks about the seller, I can only respond with one answer: Stay away, person is a known faker, frausdter and liar!

[Dr Jazz]

my intions was not to justify any doing by the man, just if he wish to comment, he is free to do so!! The whole thing stinks and we all seem to have made our mind up. But democracy allow us all to defend ourself, that I am a fan of.

just to get that straight

[Idris]

my intions was not to justify any doing by the man, just if he wish to comment, he is free to do so!! The whole thing stinks and we all seem to have made our mind up. But democracy allow us all to defend ourself, that I am a fan of.

I agree. It's all about due process and such like.

[kwakers]

What defense is there? My 10 year old actually drilled the rivets out of that Caravan roof. My wife made me do it for the cash...,. The perfectly clear pictures on E Bay were fuzzy because I did not have my glasses on when I bid 1000 Pounds on that Caravan with glaze and that lousy crimp on it's axle......or perhaps, I hated the color of it, so I fixed it now with the 'Right' body.
The act itself is totally indefensible, there is no way to bribe my jury of ONE. I do NOT discriminate, I have no axe to grind here, I was not involved with the bidding on this Caravan. The Caravan with window glaze has been a dream of many regular wheel collectors, including myself, for years now since it was published that only a single window unit was known to exist in a Caravan in Mike Stannard's 1985 guide.
Warning: If any other member or collector even thinks about destroying a historical Lesney artifact that I am able to witness as we have this time, I will break the best collector friendship, and also any ties I may have in ever dealing with them. This is very serious business, not just a petty one time act or 'mistake'. There is no place in collecting for such behavior. As for the Fake Pre-pro Caravan, Fraud CANNOT be defended, minimized, or explained away. A fake is a fake forever. Once butchered, a rare Toy cannot ever be what it once was. As we in the car business say, It is only 'original' once. To rebuild a fake and call it 'original' (even with a money back guarantee) cannot be tolerated in my Lesney world.
These are my views and my opinions, no one else has to agree. We all think a bit different than the next person......kwakers

[mrmoko]

[Dr Jazz]

Sorry Kwak, I agree 100% with you. All evidence is against him, and that he chooses to keep the caravan for sale is also a sign that he has no remors or defence. But just slamming the guy in a tread where we all agree and wright the same argument over and over, don´t change much. We all make mistakes, but most of us would probably face the fact and take the concequence. If Hardy want to change anything of what is clear evidence he is welcome to do so. Maybe even explain why he chose this path, when I look at his other auctions with strange rivet and colors I get very supisius due to this wrong doing. I have never bought some of his stuff and will for sure not now. it all to sticky.