Locking the variation codes.

[kwakers]

I understand the purpose and the idea of locking the codes as-is Joe, and I am really in favor of doing so just as you are. The problem I see right now though is that we have discovered some nice early castings that will not be understood if they are not first added in an update. An example is the smooth type #1 barrel on the #21 Mixer. It would be easy to add right now, but difficult to comprehend if added later on as a type 3 barrel design instead of the earliest type now known to exist. How would we add it before Nick's code #1 as a sub-code? Also both Nick and Mick Stannard missed so many major casting changes on this Mixer that Bert has now shown us in Great detail, the model codes in Nick's VBD Guide are very obsolete as a "Base" to now try and even build on.
The #17 Hoveringham earliest base without added angle supports directly under the third axle rear "Spring" is an important early casting change few had known about, how do we now lock codes without inserting that "Totally New" early base type into Nick's codes in its proper place. It is easy to add Antonin's lack of a front bumper foglight as a footnote on the last codes produced without it, but why miss a base casting we now know about.
I had raised an argument about Nick's Guide having less detail and fewer codes on the underside chassis of the #38 Honda Trailer than even Mick Stannard detailed in his 1985 Guide. Christian somehow defended Nick's ommisions, so I must always be like Greg 'Molars' with my penciled-in Stannard's with 6 base types rather than Nick's with only 4 types.........Why we stepped backwards on those Trailer details is still a mystery to me. We somehow went against "Updating" Stannard's Guide by ignoring 2 base types, so 4 or more of my Trailers are not even covered by Nick's codes.
I understand completely all the points of "Locking" Codes Joe, I just think a last round of basic known casting details could be added into their proper timeline before we do so. This will insure we Lesney RW History buffs remain committed to our over-detailed collections, and that all the major regular wheel casting differences we have found Thanks to Hugh, Antonin, Bert, Bill, Jason, Tim, and countless others here that were reported and pictured these last three years on the Forum have not all been done in vain........

[Idris]

How about updating and then locking each listing in turn, starting with 75b and working backwards, perhaps aiming for an average of one model or one number/week (in order to reduce the workload on Nick to manageable levels)? That way, all the updates found on this Forum could be included, and I'll be able to finish the catalogue reviews before Nick catches me up.

[GHOSTHUNTER]

In theory, we could have 75 members, each looking after one model and doing the update themselves and posting the details on the forum in a new Sticky 'Code Update' section. It is after all only 75 models, but sadly, each one of those models has generated several variations!

Now, we probably won't get 75 'Regular' forum posters come forward for this, so lets give whoever is able to help, Three models to look after, their Three favourite models but not allowing crossover, we do not need Two or more members doing the same model.

My obvious choice would be #44a, #44b and #24c Rolls-Royce models.

If other members come forward with their Three chosen models we can see if this will work.

Ghosthunter.

[nickjones]

Seems like the code & suffix is the way to go.

[Miller]

May i use this thread to remember about about the mixed up colors in the 58C DAF Girder truck variations list?

I got another one today and the usual variations check reminded me of it. The mistake is still in the list and description, although even Nicks photos show it right.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3918&p=56924&hilit= ... uck#p56924

[GHOSTHUNTER]

If the 'Codes' are now locked, the information you have noted and would like to see corrected will not now be done, but side notes can be added to the code listing. I suggest you set out the models you have in the correct codes you feel needs to be added, then 'PM' it across to Nick, at least the person who can add the side notes will have your corrected information to hand, ready for adding to the listing.

Ghosthunter.

[Miller]

Kevin, i don´t think that a "sidenote" would be the right way. Even on Nicks photo you can see the mistake.

As i found something else, i will send him a pm.

[GHOSTHUNTER]

I fully see what you mean. By looking at the thread in your link I can see the corrections needed. With more than One forum member showing pictures of the DAF Girder truck with and without the tow-guide and the models without tow-guide have the brighter base moulding, what is being called Orange-Red, there is need for correcting the code listing and I agree a side note will not really do in this particular case.

I do not have access to the code listing so can not do the corrections needed, so we are back to making sure Nick is posted the corrected code information including the pictures seen in the linked thread providing the other members are happy with them being used in this way. What this means is the member's pictures are not necessarily going to be used, they are the evidence of what corrections need to be done so Nick can get them in the right order.

Ghosthunter.

[Miller]

There is no need to change the photos in the listing - it clearly shows the brighter red for the base without towhook!

I sent Nick a pm with all details and the link to the old thread.