Casting #58

[kerbside]

58a BEA Coach (AEC), issued 1958, length 65mm, box types B-C and D
58b Drot Excavator, issued 1962, length 65mm, box types D and E.
58c DAF Girder Truck, issued 1966, length 75mm, box types E and F.



The Red and White decals can be in different position on the sides.





The open and closed gaps on the bucket arms, there are many variations on this model they can be seen on Nicks variation site.





The internal cab plastic windows are fixed in with either a spread rivet or a stud pin to the roof.

George T.

[Brad Pittiful]

[fintail]

My 58s - just a couple of buses:




A MIB silver wheels variant is certainly something on my wish list.

[Tinman]

The internal cab plastic windows are fixed in with either a spread rivet or a stud pin to the roof.

George T.

I think George intended to say that the window insert was fixed by a spun rivet. Spread rivets were out of use by the time plastic windows came along.

[kerbside]

Well Joe, perhaps that's what they called it in his time of compiling the book. I was only going by Stannards terminology, of the fixing the windows, (the plastic interior of the cab.)

George T.

[Dave R]

And those rivets really are not "spun", as in flared with a spinning tool. I've noticed that in recent years the term "spun" has been used increasingly to mean any typical Lesney rivet that has been, well, rivetted (for lack of a better term), including on regular wheel models, where there's actually no evidence of spinning rivet machines until limited use in the late 1960s. While we probably all know what is meant by a "spun" rivet, it really is sloppy (if convenient) usage when what is meant is simply a rivet that's been finished, flared, spread, mushroomed, whatever, by a non-spinning tool. Unfortunately I freely admit that I don't have a better term, off the top of my head, than perhaps "flared", but in the interests of accuracy I do wish folks would quit using the word "spun" for rivets that aren't actually spun. (Another one of my pet peeves is using "hub" to mean wheel, but that's another subject!)

I do agree with Joe that, to most Matchbox collectors, the term "spread rivet" means the earlier Y-shaped flat "rivets" rather than the conventional round ones, and even though the round rivets are actually "spread" when flared. Maybe the term "spread rivet" should be saved for the one specific style?

Dave R

[motorman]

Another one of my pet peeves is using "hub" to mean wheel, but that's another subject!)



Dave R

Calm down Dave

I believe that the wheel sits flush with the ground i.e the tyre, the rubber, whereas the hub sits verticaly to the ground i.e like a hub cap, or an alloy would.

So when i talk about the "Hub" i am refering the the part of the "Wheel" were the hot foil has been attached and when i refer to the "Wheels" i am talking about the rubber that the real car would have sat upon. I don't therefore see what the problem is in referring to the "Hub" which is part of the Wheel but not a Wheel if you catch my drift.

Just my personal opinion

[Tinman]

To further complicate the issue of wheels & hubs, here's my take on the terms (for RW only):

Wheel: A solid one piece molded assembly (metal or plastic) which includes a hub and a hole for the axle.

Hub: A plastic "rim" (in some less common cases, it's metal) with a hole for the axle which holds a removable hard or soft plastic tire/tyre.

Tire/Tyre: A hard or soft plastic tire that is installed upon a hub to make up a wheel assembly.

Wire wheels: Same as the hub and tire/tyre assembly with a metal (or plastic) cast wire wheel hub which includes a hole for the axle and a removable hard or soft plastic tire/tyre.

Hub caps: A slightly concave chrome plastic washer (or disk) which is installed on the outside of a standard plastic wheel. This mimics the look of the later chrome plastic hub with removable tire/tyre.

Rollers: Fat metal or plastic hubs upon which treads/tracks are mounted.

Extended hubs: A boss or extension on the inside of a wheel which allows the wheel (at the point where the axle goes through the wheel) to stand clear of the casting.

[Taniwha]

I love the 58a BEA. Here are the three wheel types:



I have this BPW model which has a cool error - what looks like one of the tabs connecting the casting to the sprue which has been knocked back into the window rather than removed during the fettling process - then been painted over at the factory:





Cheers,
Gavin