'Kelly' green Ford Anglia 7b

[tjlglass]

It might be a repainted but I really like it.

[Matchboxpat]

I don't like the rivet too much. But it looks pretty in green.

Silver trim would have give it an even bette look.

I agree that the green isn't exactly the same as the Kelly green. But I would be curious seeing it side by side with a 43A in green....

[Idris]

I agree that the green isn't exactly the same as the Kelly green. But I would be curious seeing it side by side with a 43A in green....

The timeline's wrong for that to be a probable match.

[Matchboxpat]

I agree that the green isn't exactly the same as the Kelly green. But I would be curious seeing it side by side with a 43A in green....

The timeline's wrong for that to be a probable match.

You are right Idris, did not think of that at all... duh !

Besides, I think the 43a has a lighter shade.

[numi]

Not being negative in any way but more concerned as the statistics are glaring with the non-stop flow of fakes & fakers entering this "lucrative" market.
This Green Anglia is a typical example (supposedly previously belonging to an ex-lesney designer/modeller recently auctioned by a Uk auction house and now in the hands of a concerned buyer) and is the kinda situation the later generation of collectors will also face with regards to fakes being highly commercialized these days & prior but with much worse ramifications to this hobby or other ancilliaries to this hobby.The scary part with certain customs & fakes is that the deceaseds family is not always aware that the ex-custodian merely knowingly had that model for display purposes or unaware if the ex-custodian was "caught" by a faker and had been sold/traded to him as genuine.Similar but much worse happenings via Ebay & other platforms are rife.This particular auction house is not to blame here.

It is also a scary thought that we have already lost a number of experienced MOY & RW collectors incl forum members due to fakers passing-off their wares as genuine and becoming disillusioned and then there are some collectors who might go-against fakers topics being mis-appropriated in some ways or the other on this forum.Everyone is entitled to their opinions and should be respected.
If nobody attempts to take a stand on fakes & fakers now or even a single worthy try then im afraid this hobby will surely die and so render the many collectors "sick & tired" and then many $$million collections near worthless.I always do my part by writing nasty things to fakers & sellers of fakes in hopes that they would stop and have been successful most of the times.It does make a difference although other fakers do pop up from time to time.I hate fakes & the modus operandi of these fakers! The more we sit back and allow the collectors to interest themselves with fakes,the more we are feeding the fakers whose "new found culture & wealth" would only die when they do.
On the other hand the influx of fakes eminate from the lack of the many individuals Matchbox & other diecasts literacy & education.The individual has to decipher a subjective distinction between the original genuine,the repaints,customs & perpetrated fakes.Some investors/resellers fuel this flame.Ive paid my school fees and had been duped a few times but no more! I am well armed now and thanks to this forum,Christians site,Nicks site,certain Gurus & collectors & other platforms.
There will come a time when collectors/sellers & buyers will concentrate on selling/ buying high-end models/collections solely thru recognized toy auction houses whereby their authenticity is scrutinized,with guarantees expressed and with tiny margins for error.

Our very own Tinman if i may,among a few other honest die-hard modellers/artists/hobbyists to my knowledge do not conjure up fakes and he is a gentleman whos transparency should be hailed & appreciated whereby his custom models details for display purposes are clearly mentioned & evident in his models & sales listings and so is his recognizable style of base rivets & axle-peens as post-Lesney customs would look like and are never perpetrated by him as genuine.Moreover his prices are equitable.
I also respect the fact that certain collectors/hobbyists mainly conjure up/buy customs/creations/repaints etc as fillers due to lack of affordability/availability of the real thing yet passionate for the hobby whilst most of the purists on the other hand wouldnt dare touch them,irrespective and i am one of them cos we all have different loves,habits & reasons for collecting.If i do not have a rare/desirable as yet in my collection then i do without it or keep on searching and tough luck if i never ever come across one. There is never a complete Matchbox collection extant ever and will never be!

@ Richy_Rich,my apologies for this intrusion and having used your recent purchase as an example.Sometimes we collectors are in denial of the fact mainly because there are monies concerned.We feel that it has to be the genuine thing just cos we paid for it and because it came from an established auction house/reputable seller/trusted seller/collector friend etc.Notwithstanding that only the person responsible for this green Anglia knows the truth & reasoning behind its creation. If it feels right in your hands then so be it and enjoy it whilst in your custody.If it doesnt then label it as Questionable or Custom repaint on your display so that it doesnt hit the open market once again to uninformed/unsuspecting collectors/buyers.Happy collecting!
Just saying.
numi

[Richy_Rich]

Numi,
Your comments are very fair and valid. There are certainly too many 'fakes' out there that don't help the true collectors/investors out there.
A few points to note about this piece (It's amazing how people can come to certain conclusions without having it in front of their very eyes).

1) It was never sold as a prototype/colour trial/having come from an ex-employer etc by the auction house - it was just along with other models in the box, in a general sale. I bought it as a 'query' piece.
2) The chips to base are, in my opinion exactly reflect the chips to the body (they aren't so obvious in the picture, but there are quite a few). I.e They do match.
3) Yes there does appear to be a slight bend in the rear axle - I expect consummate with age related damage.
4) If using the variation guide it would be 'code 4', (apart from the green!) with the first casting. The windows are a very, very light blue (It does say this can vary).
5) Next to 2 other blue Anglia's the green one has EXACTLY the same paint coverage to inside of body.
7) IF this is 'fake/repainted' it was done VERY WELL, a LONG time ago. Why would it be done so well, so long ago? (Yes, I know ingrained dirt can be faked also but that would be a lot of effort - especially the cobweb inside the rear window!)

All in all it seems to be an 'unknown'. I was going to sell it - as an 'unknown' - but I think I'll bring it along to a collectors fair or two for others to have a look. The Brentwood Toy Fair is coming up on 12th Dec & 16th Jan.

[GHOSTHUNTER]

Hi Richy.

Please can you send a 'Private Message' to "Fixer" regards the Brentwood toy fairs. He has attended this event in the past and I am sure he will attend more in the near future and between you, you can arrange a meeting and he can have a good look at your Anglia. It might just be possible for me to also attend.

GHOSTHUNTER.

[Idris]

When I try to move the windows they move about a fraction (about half a mm), so windows are certainly not glued, and appear to be held by the rivet alone. I can try to take a picture if you want?

A photograph of the window river would be appreciated, if you can manage it.

[Idris]

I agree with you, Numi. It's bad enough spotting fakes of htf and rare production models, but when it comes to models like this Ford Anglia, where we don't understand the background to its creation and which may well be a one-off (if produced "privately" within the factory), then it becomes a thousand times harder to decide what came out of the factory (I hastate to use the word genuine) and what didn't.
I'm just glad I built up the bulk of my collection in the early 1980s, before prices went sky high (and started attracting low-lifes as a result).

[fixer]

I will be at Brentwood and would be more than happy to meet Richy
Much more experienced people will be there I'm sure maybe our leader if we're lucky
Let me know if you can make it Richy