24c strange rivet
24c strange rivet
I am seeing something strange with the rivet of this 24c, it looks as if there is a hole drilled next to it, or what do you think it might be?
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GHOSTHUNTER
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Re: 24c strange rivet
I saw this when you first posted the picture and thought it was just a 'Miss-hit' rivet. We have seen examples of this on other models and some pictures have been shown on the forum.
Your particular example does look a bit more extreme than others because inside the circle of scratched baseplate metal, there is another point of damage which you mention is a hole possibly created by a drilling process, is it definately a little hole in the centre or just an indent caused by the centre portion of the tool that is used to work the tail of the rivet.
The method of riveting used on these models is based on the 'Cold Riveting' process, with the main body casting of the model having the 'Shaft' of the rivet usually cast onto the underside of the boot or bonnet area. The early models have a semi-tubular shaft, so once the 'Tail' has been formed from the pressing machine, you see the distinctive 'Countersunk' design of these rivets, often with matching main body colour paint inside the countersink.
The reformed 'Tail' now becomes the rivet's new 'Head' and on the later models within the 'Superfast' period, the 'Shaft' is not as semi-tubular and the forming machine now spins the rivet while pressing down and the new head has the distinctive 'Turned' look about it without any paint.
Any chance of a closer look of just the rivet and the area of damage, as I think what looks like a little hole may in fact be a dent caused by the central part of the pressing tool that locates in the countersink area of the shaft, making a dent in the baseplate through pressure.
Overall the operator has not placed the model correctly in the jig for the 'Tail' forming tool to do it's job in the right place, another nice factory oops!
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Your particular example does look a bit more extreme than others because inside the circle of scratched baseplate metal, there is another point of damage which you mention is a hole possibly created by a drilling process, is it definately a little hole in the centre or just an indent caused by the centre portion of the tool that is used to work the tail of the rivet.
The method of riveting used on these models is based on the 'Cold Riveting' process, with the main body casting of the model having the 'Shaft' of the rivet usually cast onto the underside of the boot or bonnet area. The early models have a semi-tubular shaft, so once the 'Tail' has been formed from the pressing machine, you see the distinctive 'Countersunk' design of these rivets, often with matching main body colour paint inside the countersink.
The reformed 'Tail' now becomes the rivet's new 'Head' and on the later models within the 'Superfast' period, the 'Shaft' is not as semi-tubular and the forming machine now spins the rivet while pressing down and the new head has the distinctive 'Turned' look about it without any paint.
Any chance of a closer look of just the rivet and the area of damage, as I think what looks like a little hole may in fact be a dent caused by the central part of the pressing tool that locates in the countersink area of the shaft, making a dent in the baseplate through pressure.
Overall the operator has not placed the model correctly in the jig for the 'Tail' forming tool to do it's job in the right place, another nice factory oops!
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Re: 24c strange rivet
Yes of course, as soon as the model has been received.GHOSTHUNTER wrote:
Any chance of a closer look of just the rivet and the area of damage.
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Re: 24c strange rivet
I have a similar misalignment on 12 Safari Land Rover.
The plastic baseplate is obviously askew. Perhaps operator had had a late night (or needed new glasses).
Slightly different than yours as you have a metal base in the correct place.
Wasn't tempted to reposition as the rivet is deep in the plastic (due to misalignment) plus it's a neat factory error.
Yes OK, it took me a minute to figure out Tinman's fix - bit slow.
The plastic baseplate is obviously askew. Perhaps operator had had a late night (or needed new glasses).
Slightly different than yours as you have a metal base in the correct place.
Wasn't tempted to reposition as the rivet is deep in the plastic (due to misalignment) plus it's a neat factory error.
Yes OK, it took me a minute to figure out Tinman's fix - bit slow.
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Re: 24c strange rivet
Rodger,
Isn't that the special New Zealand issue!
It needs to go on the oops page.
Cheers, Steve
Matchboxkiwi
Isn't that the special New Zealand issue!
It needs to go on the oops page.
Cheers, Steve
Matchboxkiwi
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Re: 24c strange rivet
Wow, that is some factory oops!
A while back some of us members wanted to put an OOPS! thread on the forum, but as you will now be aware it did not happen, there is a section on Nick's website and he was adding some of our pictures to it, so thank's Roger for bringing yours here.
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A while back some of us members wanted to put an OOPS! thread on the forum, but as you will now be aware it did not happen, there is a section on Nick's website and he was adding some of our pictures to it, so thank's Roger for bringing yours here.
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Re: 24c strange rivet
Got the 24c Rolls Royce Silver Shadow with the "rivet oops" today.
It looks like it has been double stamped, the first try, probably by cross eyed Mary, off center, the second where it should be, albeit it somewhat raised because of the first try. The model is absolutely very near mint. See pics. Any comments welcome!
It looks like it has been double stamped, the first try, probably by cross eyed Mary, off center, the second where it should be, albeit it somewhat raised because of the first try. The model is absolutely very near mint. See pics. Any comments welcome!
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Re: 24c strange rivet
Thank's Gerrit for the additional pictures.
It does look as if it is just a bad initial first 'Strike' and I reckon 'Mary' would have had to think quickly when the base popped out of position just like the Safari Land Rover shown earlier, just as she was making that first strike and she has had to re-position it and do it again.
The amazing thing is that there was enough rivet shaft to be able to succeed in the job, as I am sure that first strike must have compressed the rivet shaft somewhat under the pressure of the machine with the baseplate resting on it.
First versions of 24c, have a small rivet head that tells us the shaft was quite short, necessitated by the model having a very capacious boot and it is not unknown for the baseplates to be removable without damage to the rivet, I have one that does this.
Later versions have a larger rivet head, the result of a taller rivet shaft and a more secure fixing of the baseplate.
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It does look as if it is just a bad initial first 'Strike' and I reckon 'Mary' would have had to think quickly when the base popped out of position just like the Safari Land Rover shown earlier, just as she was making that first strike and she has had to re-position it and do it again.
The amazing thing is that there was enough rivet shaft to be able to succeed in the job, as I am sure that first strike must have compressed the rivet shaft somewhat under the pressure of the machine with the baseplate resting on it.
First versions of 24c, have a small rivet head that tells us the shaft was quite short, necessitated by the model having a very capacious boot and it is not unknown for the baseplates to be removable without damage to the rivet, I have one that does this.
Later versions have a larger rivet head, the result of a taller rivet shaft and a more secure fixing of the baseplate.
GHOSTHUNTER.