7a with silver milk crates

[Idris]

it looks like this thread has proven that the final run of 7a were mask sprayed only thanks to yellowfoden , an unlisted variation in my collection!

However, we shouldn't forget Joe's model which kicked off this whole thread. That is a float with silver-trimmed crates, but a white-trimmed driver. The obvious conclusion is that it represents an older, part-trimmed float which was found in the stockroom when the model was scheduled for deletion and parts stocks were being run down. It is therefore not beyond the bounds of possibility that floats with hand-applied white crate trim were also found in the stockroom and used up in the final weeks of production. I think it would therefore be worthwhile if all members double-checked any GPW milk floats without all white drivers in their collections for evidence of hand-applied crate trim.

[Tinman]

This thread makes me pine for my old collection. According to my list, I had nine GPW milk floats (noted only as GPW without any comments as to horse or float trim). I find myself wishing I could contribute more the the thread.

[SMS88]

it looks like this thread has proven that the final run of 7a were mask sprayed only thanks to yellowfoden , an unlisted variation in my collection!

However, we shouldn't forget Joe's model which kicked off this whole thread. That is a float with silver-trimmed crates, but a white-trimmed driver. The obvious conclusion is that it represents an older, part-trimmed float which was found in the stockroom when the model was scheduled for deletion and parts stocks were being run down. It is therefore not beyond the bounds of possibility that floats with hand-applied white crate trim were also found in the stockroom and used up in the final weeks of production. I think it would therefore be worthwhile if all members double-checked any GPW milk floats without all white drivers in their collections for evidence of hand-applied crate trim.

idris´ ´´obvious conclusion´´ = 100% unadulterated speculation given that Joe´s model has a brush painted hat and silver crates which both indicate that it was finished long BEFORE final cream mask only production runs. In actual FACT the obvious conclusion is that this was made in the factory as part of the very short silver run that escaped getting its driver silvered.The most probable conclusion is that the hat was detailed at home by somebody because this very obvious not in the least subtle variation has never been discussed or recorded in the 55 years since it was made even though it has been in collectors hands perhaps the whole of its life post sale.

[Idris]

it looks like this thread has proven that the final run of 7a were mask sprayed only thanks to yellowfoden , an unlisted variation in my collection!

However, we shouldn't forget Joe's model which kicked off this whole thread. That is a float with silver-trimmed crates, but a white-trimmed driver. The obvious conclusion is that it represents an older, part-trimmed float which was found in the stockroom when the model was scheduled for deletion and parts stocks were being run down. It is therefore not beyond the bounds of possibility that floats with hand-applied white crate trim were also found in the stockroom and used up in the final weeks of production. I think it would therefore be worthwhile if all members double-checked any GPW milk floats without all white drivers in their collections for evidence of hand-applied crate trim.

idris´ ´´obvious conclusion´´ = 100% unadulterated speculation given that Joe´s model has a brush painted hat and silver crates which both indicate that it was finished long BEFORE final cream mask only production runs. In actual FACT the obvious conclusion is that this was made in the factory as part of the very short silver run that escaped getting its driver silvered.The most probable conclusion is that the hat was detailed at home by somebody because this very obvious not in the least subtle variation has never been discussed or recorded in the 55 years since it was made even though it has been in collectors hands perhaps the whole of its life post sale.

[Idris]

it looks like this thread has proven that the final run of 7a were mask sprayed only thanks to yellowfoden , an unlisted variation in my collection!

However, we shouldn't forget Joe's model which kicked off this whole thread. That is a float with silver-trimmed crates, but a white-trimmed driver. The obvious conclusion is that it represents an older, part-trimmed float which was found in the stockroom when the model was scheduled for deletion and parts stocks were being run down. It is therefore not beyond the bounds of possibility that floats with hand-applied white crate trim were also found in the stockroom and used up in the final weeks of production. I think it would therefore be worthwhile if all members double-checked any GPW milk floats without all white drivers in their collections for evidence of hand-applied crate trim.

idris´ ´´obvious conclusion´´ = 100% unadulterated speculation given that Joe´s model has a brush painted hat and silver crates which both indicate that it was finished long BEFORE final cream mask only production runs. In actual FACT the obvious conclusion is that this was made in the factory as part of the very short silver run that escaped getting its driver silvered.The most probable conclusion is that the hat was detailed at home by somebody because this very obvious not in the least subtle variation has never been discussed or recorded in the 55 years since it was made even though it has been in collectors hands perhaps the whole of its life post sale.

As usual, you're missing the point:
obvious conclusion´´ = 100% unadulterated speculation: No, merely common sense based on how we know the factory operated when models were coming up for deletion.
"Joe´s model has a brush painted hat and silver crates": if you read the first post in this thread, you will see that joe very clearly states that the silver trim is mark sprayed.
"this was made in the factory as part of the very short silver run that escaped getting its driver silvered": If you had read some of the other posts in the thread, you would have realised that models with mask-sprayed crates have hand-trimmed drivers, making for a two-step process. Joe model "did not escape getting its driver silvered". As we have seen time and time before, it was put into storage half finished, i.e. with only the crates trimmed and, when it was brought out again, the painting specification had changed.
"The most probable conclusion": on what grounds is it the most probable solution? The hat looks identical to the hats on many, many other example which can be found on line. There are no grounds whatsoever for this statement (as usual).
"because this very obvious not in the least subtle variation has never been discussed or recorded in the 55 years since it was made": Now there's a really, really good argumenet. Remind me Mick, did that hold true for the 6a, 19c, 45a, 57a, 58a, or 68a trim variations which you also dismissed but which were shown to be factory issue? You have an incredibly poor track record when it comes to correctly assessing RW trim variatuions. Furthermore, whilst we're at it, lets not forget the very pale blue 42a Studebaker of which two example are now known, and which you dismissed when it was first shown on Lefora. If you wish to regard Stannard as some kind of bible which contains the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, that's you business (and problem), but I respectfully suggest that you keep that worldview to yourself instead of using it to muddy the waters of this Forum.
(Personally, I think it's all the result of a hot, sweaty child playing with it whilst eating lardy cake and drinking orange juice.)

To be perfecttly honest, I have better things to do with my life that have pointless arguments with you about this model, so no further reponses to your posts will be given.
Furtermore, If you wish to continue to believe that everything even slightly non-standard (like this 7a) was made especially for Fred Bronner, was breathed on by Jack Odell, or was part of some super-secret development project in R&D, that's fine by me.

[Tinman]

Furthermore, If you wish to continue to believe that everything even slightly non-standard (like this 7a) was made especially for Fred Bronner, was breathed on by Jack Odell, or was part of some super-secret development project in R&D, that's fine by me.

LOL, that's funny (but so familiar sounding)

[SMS88]

As usual, I wake up to more dense speculation from idris who apparently hasnt grasped the fact that I have been talking mask sprayed 7a silver trim on this thread - the obsession with detecting uncoded brushed silver or gold trim is 100% idris´ bag.
Speculating that Joe´s model has been put into Lesney part finished stock storage without a shred of evidence and speculating that Lesney returned to hand painting drivers hats on this so far unique 7a AFTER making large volumes of 7a with ONLY mask trim floats that feature unpainted drivers is taking the p*ss in this community of folks who know their Matchbox history.
Using Sherlock Holmes principles of deduction, it is plain to see that at an unknown point sometime in the past 55 years a cream hat has been added to a negative (no silver on driver) variation silver mask trimmed 7a - anything more is idris´ speciality, speculation. It would be speculation to suggest that silver trim had been chemically removed from the driver so I wont suggest that possibility. Should chemical analysis match the drivers hat paint to the horse trim then that would be proof that the hat is factory trimmed -without that proof it could have been detailed a month ago or anytime in the preceding 55 years.
With a little luck this thread will inspire ebay sellers to find some more silver trimmed floats with cream capped drivers to satisfy the demand created by this thread, what a great way to shift 7as that nobody wants to pay book value plus shipping for otherwise
It is also a known fact that a high proportion of sales samples (particularly from Bronner as USA had lots more adult collectors in 1960/70s than UK ) end up in private collections simply because they were not automatically given to kids unlike circa 95% of those models sold in stores.
(and for all readers of thsi thread : I dont own a Stannard, have been this forum´s most vocal critic of obsolete Stannard guides right from day 1 and have only actually seen a Stannard once, Karl e´s copy in 2010 )

[Idris]

As usual, I wake up to more dense speculation from idris

Mick, I, together with many other members of this Forum (who have PM-ed me to comment and compain), am sick to death of how you repeatedly choose to play the man rather than the ball, and your snide, snioping comments aimed at any member whio dares to disagree with you. Therefore, I am politely requesting you from now on, to please keep your arguments factual and to the point. Any personal attacks such as the above, on either myself or any other member of this Forum, will result in the post being deleted.
A repeat offence will result in suspension of your membership.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

[SMS88]

As usual, I wake up to more dense speculation from idris

Mick, I, together with many other members of this Forum (who have PM-ed me to comment and compain), am sick to death of how you repeatedly choose to play the man rather than the ball, and your snide, snioping comments aimed at any member whio dares to disagree with you. Therefore, I am politely requesting you from now on, to please keep your arguments factual and to the point. Any personal attacks such as the above, on either myself or any other member of this Forum, will result in the post being deleted.
A repeat offence will result in suspension of your membership.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Ok, I have read the above post and this is my final visit to the RW forum and my final post here, as me Mam used to say at Christmas ´´What do you say? We dont give to the ungrateful!´´ .
The ever decreasing pool of leading members of this forum can continue discussing risible brush detailed old toys that they seek to accredit as legitimate mass produced store sold factory variations deserving of a place in Nick´s codes without me casting suspicions on their foolish speculations.
For the rest of 2015 I will only view and post in the Superfast and Corgi sub forums.

[kerbside]

There my idea of a merry band of collectors has flown out of the window after following this topic.

I think that the fraudsters who watch this site must be having a field day thinking of all the new variations they can make.

I am just glad that I am not a new collector of Regular Wheel models

Just remember Mick sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you Only Your Pride.

George T.