fiat 1500 with white luggage

[Malibu]

Hi all,

I do not think that this part was made by 3D-Printing but I can imagine that it is some sort of resin moulding.

Stephan

[lesney0905]

Thanks for your comments, some absurd (3d printers) some many wary, some honest. My opinion Collector is that the piece is original, as equal to 100% to the other (except the color), I do not want to sell or speculate on it, I add it to my collection, stop, thanks.

[motorman]

Thanks for your comments, some absurd (3d printers) some many wary, some honest. My opinion Collector is that the piece is original, as equal to 100% to the other (except the color), I do not want to sell or speculate on it, I add it to my collection, stop, thanks.

Roberto firstly there is nothing absurd about discussing 3D printer technology my friend, i think we should be very aware of the advances in this kind of tech and the possibilities for the faker out there and secondly I should point out that at no time did I suggest your white roof moulding was made by a 3D printer, (for the avoidance of any doubt).

[GHOSTHUNTER]

You can tell the difference between items made in High St 3D printing shops and those made in specialist 3D centres or in machines borrowed in factories.

GHOSTHUNTER.

[lesney0905]

Motorman, I do not think that a "forger" works for so little account, I suppose to do it for something more profitable! There are models much more areas in our collections

[motorman]

Motorman, I do not think that a "forger" works for so little account, I suppose to do it for something more profitable! There are models much more areas in our collections

Once again, I am not suggesting your white roof mould has been forged, i am mearly discussing the possibilities that 3D printer technology could bring to certain individuals in the future.

[lesney0905]

ok

[GHOSTHUNTER]

It is a certainty that as 3D printing technology becomes better and more refined than what it is at the moment, parts created in such machines are stunningly accurate, so accurate there are already service companies for the Aircraft industry who can 3D print replacement parts 'On-Site', to cut-out the usual method of ordering and waiting for delivery of replacement parts, so if if its good enough for real Aircraft to use, its good enough for the model car hobby and fakers will use this technology to create rare coloured components!!

GHOSTHUNTER.

[Tinman]

Hi all,

I do not think that this part was made by 3D-Printing but I can imagine that it is some sort of resin moulding.

Stephan

I agree, it's a resin molding copy.

Ghosty's enhanced photo clearly shows that an original set of luggage was used to make a mold and then resin castings were made from that mold. That is why the ejector rings are lacking in detail (and other areas are not quite perfect).

A pre-production part would be made with the same mold that would generate production parts. It would produce identical parts in any color. If factory molds were used to make this part it would have sharp crisp ejector rings just line the brown example in a previous photo. This is someone homemade luggage (could even be Nik-Stil's or anyone's really). But it is for sure Not pre-production and not factory produced ... in other words: NOT genuine.

Here are some multi color resin castings of regular wheel Leyland truck front bases. You can't see them in the photos, but the ejector rings on these are much better than the Fiat luggage.





Here's a dark gray barrel for a 26b concrete truck, also a resin casting.

[yellowfoden]

Hello lesney0905
Welcome to the forum Roberto
Would it be possible please to take a photo with the white ( looks cream/ivory) alongside another genuine luggage piece (top view) as well as along side something white. This may show it’s true colour comparison if all in the same photo.
The one in Charlie Mack book is alongside a white DAF truck.
I first saw the 56b white luggage photographs in Charlie Mack books back around 1993 but do not recall seeing any other books that mention this colour plastic.
Many thanks.

Here it is many others photos; I wish you would like them!

Hello Roberto and members,

Thank you for adding the extra photos Roberto,

The request for extra photos taken alongside something white (or a known standard light colour model that we all know) is to try and determine the actual colour and finish on your light colour luggage.

The new photos of luggage shows much better detail than the one shown in the ebay listing.

However:
It was the ebay photo which I believe had some readers thinking it is a replica made part because the ebay photo looks different to the new photos from you.

Unfortunately we now see five different colour results on the forum and a different colour again on the ebay listing of the same component.( see my photo bottom right corner)

With 5 different colours shown taken by possibly three different cameras, it is going to make this difficult to judge online.

You have the advantage in hand by being able to compare the light and brown luggage for finish, plastic properties and to measure wall thickness to determine if both components match and came from Lesney circa 1965. Remember it must be compared with a known GENUINE brown luggage as well.
Any other photos are best taken in natural light or good light source to cut out reflection and without flash.
Another good tip is to have both pieces facing the same way, we need to see like for like details.

Here are all the images together. None of the images have had properties altered by me but have been cropped to fit apart from the enhanced photo from ghostmaster (Kevin) which I have marked.
As you can see, the same plastic component can offer many variables courtesy of different digital cameras and different lighting conditions.

I also took one of my light tan luggage which has good provenance. It has the letter M inside and the lower ejector ring is flush with main surface and the ejector ring on the block is 0.23mm high.

I hope this helps and is only seen as being positive in trying to work out if this luggage is real, not just for you but for all collectors hunting for genuine Lesney history.