46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
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Mick, I am very disappointed this A.M. in you. Probably the most disappointed of anyone or of anything that has ever happened here. kwakers
Re: 46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
Dick we are astounded (no excuses or explanations required, the listings are self evident)that its the crimped reverse wrecker Bob Brennan listing these inappropriately described toys, great that they are pulled but to be honest those careless or misleading ( or however you choose to describe them ) listings would not have been made like that by anybody actively posting here.kwakers wrote:Mick, I am very disappointed this A.M. in you. Probably the most disappointed of anyone or of anything that has ever happened here. kwakers
Re: 46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
Just a follow up to my previous post. I received the exact same answer from Mr. Brennan. "have no idea". A real shame that he could not provide more information. To his credit he did pull the listing. That said, I would only add, that a person of his credential should have been able to shed some light on this model. I'll leave that speculation alone.
Re: 46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
Joe Stone is the collector thought to have brought back the reverse painted Wreckers from the Lesney factory in England in 1970 Mick. I am sure Idris can confirm that these crimped axle versions were never mentioned by Bob Brennen as a variation in any printing of his NAMC Catalog even though he owned 2 of them. That is way off topic Mick, nice try.......
Can a man now nearing George's age not make a mistake in calling a 5D London Bus a 5C? When being corrected on it in my June 22 E Bay message to Bob, he correctly pulled the listing on that Bus. A corrected listing on that variation will follow I am sure, the man still has thousands of brand new Mint boxed Toys left to sell Mick, and to describe a simple error like this as 'an inappropriately described toy' points to a delusional conspiracy you are now developing in your mind. Is it SCM all over Again, but now defaming a man by name that I hold in high respect?? Bullcrap!
When Bob wrote his NAMC Comprehensive Matchbox Guide which was printed in 1971, it was, and still remains a ground-breaking massive effort by him to catalog all known Lesney variations. His number 47-3 DAF Tipper roofs have been cataloged as having either a light gray roof or a dark gray roof for 43 years now in every printing of his NAMC Guides. For him to list his Toys on E Bay giving his own code numbers and the same descriptions he has used all this time is not 'an inappropriately described Toy' in my book either Mick.......What on earth are you talking about by calling either of these listings careless or misleading??
Who is WE Mick that are now astounded? Perhaps you and SCM who introduced the original green Pickfords 2 line conspiracy plot only to rum away on us when it was time to show us some cold hard facts. All 2 line green Pickfords are now to be held up as 'FAKES' because of a mysterious disappearing SCM 'Troll' as Joe would call him, and now yourself joining in Mick. Bullcrap in an even higher degree!
Bob has been a member here since the LeFora days, so I am sure he is as puzzled now over the Pickfords in green with 2 line decals as we all are. To include me as a co-conspirator in some sort of a plot with Bob, a man I consider to be on a level with Nick Jones or perhaps even Mike Stannard, gives me great satisfaction. I will enjoy that type of Great company and association any time in life without any argument at all Mick.
kwakers
To answer a question on the 46 as 'Have no idea' is honest, just like the 'OK thanks, will do' on my 5CD Bus correction message and note that Nick Jones Forum members will be contacting him with questions on the Pickfords.
It's a good thing no other Forum members have the Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring to figure out what Bob Brennen's answers really mean......Mick could be onto us now, so we better lay low on our 'Secret Yank Lesney Plots'....LOL
It's all so strange, all I can do is laugh over the whole scenario Mick has now dreamt up.
Can a man now nearing George's age not make a mistake in calling a 5D London Bus a 5C? When being corrected on it in my June 22 E Bay message to Bob, he correctly pulled the listing on that Bus. A corrected listing on that variation will follow I am sure, the man still has thousands of brand new Mint boxed Toys left to sell Mick, and to describe a simple error like this as 'an inappropriately described toy' points to a delusional conspiracy you are now developing in your mind. Is it SCM all over Again, but now defaming a man by name that I hold in high respect?? Bullcrap!
When Bob wrote his NAMC Comprehensive Matchbox Guide which was printed in 1971, it was, and still remains a ground-breaking massive effort by him to catalog all known Lesney variations. His number 47-3 DAF Tipper roofs have been cataloged as having either a light gray roof or a dark gray roof for 43 years now in every printing of his NAMC Guides. For him to list his Toys on E Bay giving his own code numbers and the same descriptions he has used all this time is not 'an inappropriately described Toy' in my book either Mick.......What on earth are you talking about by calling either of these listings careless or misleading??
Who is WE Mick that are now astounded? Perhaps you and SCM who introduced the original green Pickfords 2 line conspiracy plot only to rum away on us when it was time to show us some cold hard facts. All 2 line green Pickfords are now to be held up as 'FAKES' because of a mysterious disappearing SCM 'Troll' as Joe would call him, and now yourself joining in Mick. Bullcrap in an even higher degree!
Bob has been a member here since the LeFora days, so I am sure he is as puzzled now over the Pickfords in green with 2 line decals as we all are. To include me as a co-conspirator in some sort of a plot with Bob, a man I consider to be on a level with Nick Jones or perhaps even Mike Stannard, gives me great satisfaction. I will enjoy that type of Great company and association any time in life without any argument at all Mick.
kwakersTo answer a question on the 46 as 'Have no idea' is honest, just like the 'OK thanks, will do' on my 5CD Bus correction message and note that Nick Jones Forum members will be contacting him with questions on the Pickfords.
It's a good thing no other Forum members have the Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring to figure out what Bob Brennen's answers really mean......Mick could be onto us now, so we better lay low on our 'Secret Yank Lesney Plots'....LOL
It's all so strange, all I can do is laugh over the whole scenario Mick has now dreamt up.Re: 46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
Great post Dick - I hope you are you able to confirm for us all that Bob Brennan listed the green 2 line Pickfords in his 1971 guide?
Re: 46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
Bob Brennen did not list the two line green Pickfords as a known variation in any of his Guide's printings that I know of Mick. That is what is so compellingly absurd about your negativity towards Bob. He, like Harold Colpitts, Mike Stannard, Tinman, or even like myself after 50 years of collecting regular wheel Lesneys, cannot relate any factual history on this variation at all. Perhaps the variation's discovery was recorded in some obscure Club Newsletter years ago, but so far no one has enlightened us on it. Nick has one pictured at his site, and has commented earlier here for everyone to read. Other 2 line green Pickfords have been found 'in the wild' at no premium, so who can say for sure about their provenance, other than they still appear as controversial to some today, just as Nick has printed. Please re-read his variation Guide and note that even our own Guru has no concrete evidence concerning the topic of this SCM thread. We now have evidence that several are owned by members here out of collections, or others from cheap Toy sales from unaware Sellers, so why the anger and accusations now Mick? Please prove to us this variation is fake and that none of these had ever left the Lesney factory painted green with 2 line Pickford promotional decals on them. I have learned enough from this thread to believe they did, so SCM has done just the opposite of his original intention with this very negative Post about the green two line Pickford.
When Bob's 2 line green E Bay model listing had pictured a damaged paint area, it was not his honesty in showing it clearly that you pointed out Mick. You chose to gleefully and ignorantly determine the damage was because HE scratched it while removing the 3 line 'stock' decal from a common Toy he may have 40 boxed spares of (and sell you for $25 today). How absurd that whole idea is, as well as insulting to anyone here who has any powers of reason.
I bought 3 Mint Boxed store stock models from Bob that included two variations of those 47 DAF Tippers, and that 5D Bus for $41.50. Maybe by others reading of my friend Bob's RWC Toys honesty in this thread, he may be able to help some Forum members with his huge spare stock as he has myself for 45 years now. A Positive will develop from Mick's ignorance of my friend's honesty perhaps with someone buying a genuine regular wheel #67 VW in purple he now has listed....... kwakers
When Bob's 2 line green E Bay model listing had pictured a damaged paint area, it was not his honesty in showing it clearly that you pointed out Mick. You chose to gleefully and ignorantly determine the damage was because HE scratched it while removing the 3 line 'stock' decal from a common Toy he may have 40 boxed spares of (and sell you for $25 today). How absurd that whole idea is, as well as insulting to anyone here who has any powers of reason.
I bought 3 Mint Boxed store stock models from Bob that included two variations of those 47 DAF Tippers, and that 5D Bus for $41.50. Maybe by others reading of my friend Bob's RWC Toys honesty in this thread, he may be able to help some Forum members with his huge spare stock as he has myself for 45 years now. A Positive will develop from Mick's ignorance of my friend's honesty perhaps with someone buying a genuine regular wheel #67 VW in purple he now has listed....... kwakers
Re: 46b Pickfords 2 line in green.
Thankyou Dick for telling us that Bob Brennan didnt list a 2 line green Pickfords in any of his guides. That would be sufficient evidence to satisfy most members here that Bob Brennan never regarded the green 2 line Pickfords as a genuine Lesney made variation particularly if Bob DID list the blue 2 line issue.
Dick is entitled to believe that some green 2 line Pickfords existed prior to the 1980s floodgates being opened when unused 2 line decals became available in significant quantities however many perhaps most others like myself back tracking the evidence & the usual money hungry habits of a minority of Matchbox sellers to add 1 (unsaleable common mint 3 line 46b) +1 (new unused factory 2 line decal) and get the result = 2 (stock shifted for the top end of market price).
As Bob Brennan has owned the green 2 line Pickfords he was selling then he must know where it came from and/or who made it although as Dick & Hardy has told me via pms, Bob is very cagey at best of times we can expect no useful information to be shared. Folks who knew Harold Colpitts have told me that he was very open and not secretive about his toys in total contrast to Bob which is why I personally feel that it disrespects Harold Colpitts memory when kwakers chooses to use his name in the same sentence as ethically different Bob ( or chum Mack ).
Dick is entitled to believe that some green 2 line Pickfords existed prior to the 1980s floodgates being opened when unused 2 line decals became available in significant quantities however many perhaps most others like myself back tracking the evidence & the usual money hungry habits of a minority of Matchbox sellers to add 1 (unsaleable common mint 3 line 46b) +1 (new unused factory 2 line decal) and get the result = 2 (stock shifted for the top end of market price).
As Bob Brennan has owned the green 2 line Pickfords he was selling then he must know where it came from and/or who made it although as Dick & Hardy has told me via pms, Bob is very cagey at best of times we can expect no useful information to be shared. Folks who knew Harold Colpitts have told me that he was very open and not secretive about his toys in total contrast to Bob which is why I personally feel that it disrespects Harold Colpitts memory when kwakers chooses to use his name in the same sentence as ethically different Bob ( or chum Mack ).
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"Bob Must Know where it came from and who made it". "Bob is very cagey at best of times we can expect no useful information to be shared"
2 delusional quotes from the conspiratorial mind of Mick, someone I used to consider a friend of mine. Very nice touch Mick SCM. I still have several copies of my friend Bob's groundbreaking NAMC Guide I had coded with in 1971. If 43 years of my using Bob's Guide (NAMC) cannot be considered "sharing his useful information", your second statement might be able to be considered even a tiny bit accurate.
I think it is time for you to come through with some concrete facts SCM Mick rather than just repeating the same speculative inaccurate Bullcrap this Post was initiated with by SCM. Perhaps you and SCM have now determined not only the whereabouts, but also the provenance of all known Green 2 line Pickfords in all the collections throughout the world? Please share some of these new facts with us SCM Mick, so that WE may know WHO "the usual money hungry habits of a minority of Matchbox sellers" refers to in your quoted Post above. Perhaps then we may learn who SCM was initially looking to publicly defame until he disappeared. You are now 'SCM' Mick, to what purpose here?
Please share some facts with us. Your speculative Bullcrap is now getting deeper on this Post as the earlier Positive factual discussion about this Pickford variation is being highjacked.......kwakers
2 delusional quotes from the conspiratorial mind of Mick, someone I used to consider a friend of mine. Very nice touch Mick SCM. I still have several copies of my friend Bob's groundbreaking NAMC Guide I had coded with in 1971. If 43 years of my using Bob's Guide (NAMC) cannot be considered "sharing his useful information", your second statement might be able to be considered even a tiny bit accurate.
I think it is time for you to come through with some concrete facts SCM Mick rather than just repeating the same speculative inaccurate Bullcrap this Post was initiated with by SCM. Perhaps you and SCM have now determined not only the whereabouts, but also the provenance of all known Green 2 line Pickfords in all the collections throughout the world? Please share some of these new facts with us SCM Mick, so that WE may know WHO "the usual money hungry habits of a minority of Matchbox sellers" refers to in your quoted Post above. Perhaps then we may learn who SCM was initially looking to publicly defame until he disappeared. You are now 'SCM' Mick, to what purpose here?
Please share some facts with us. Your speculative Bullcrap is now getting deeper on this Post as the earlier Positive factual discussion about this Pickford variation is being highjacked.......kwakers
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I have followed this post since the beginning and it seems that some critical words have been posted, I had never bought any thing from Bob Brennan, so I thought until a few posts ago I found out that Bob Brennan and RWC Toys are in fact the same person.
So over the last few years I have been buying from Bob Brennan, ( RWC Toys) and could not fault his ethics on models.
George T.
So over the last few years I have been buying from Bob Brennan, ( RWC Toys) and could not fault his ethics on models.
George T.
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Kwakers seems to be very upset over how other collectors perceive Bob´s green 2 line 46b ebay auction for no good reason, indeedy I think he taking offence where none is intended. To some it appears that kwakers is tarnishing Bob´s good name by rREVEALING Bob is the owner of that ebay account & making such a fuss about a toy which is probably just something Bob is flipping as is most ebay sellers stocks tend to be specially bought in to resell ......kwakers wrote:"Bob Must Know where it came from and who made it". "Bob is very cagey at best of times we can expect no useful information to be shared"
2 delusional quotes from the conspiratorial mind of Mick, someone I used to consider a friend of mine. Very nice touch Mick SCM. I still have several copies of my friend Bob's groundbreaking NAMC Guide I had coded with in 1971. If 43 years of my using Bob's Guide (NAMC) cannot be considered "sharing his useful information", your second statement might be able to be considered even a tiny bit accurate.
I think it is time for you to come through with some concrete facts SCM Mick rather than just repeating the same speculative inaccurate Bullcrap this Post was initiated with by SCM. Perhaps you and SCM have now determined not only the whereabouts, but also the provenance of all known Green 2 line Pickfords in all the collections throughout the world? Please share some of these new facts with us SCM Mick, so that WE may know WHO "the usual money hungry habits of a minority of Matchbox sellers" refers to in your quoted Post above. Perhaps then we may learn who SCM was initially looking to publicly defame until he disappeared. You are now 'SCM' Mick, to what purpose here?
Please share some facts with us. Your speculative Bullcrap is now getting deeper on this Post as the earlier Positive factual discussion about this Pickford variation is being highjacked.......kwakers
The facts:
1. No reputable guide or collector publication listed a green 2 line 46b prior to 1980 in contrast to the blue 2 line version which has been listed
2. Lots of unused genuine 2 line Pickfords decals sold on the open market from the factory in the 1980s
3. since the 1980s a number of green 2 line 46bs have appeared for sale
4. No reputable collector who was collecting in the 1960s or 1970s has so far come forward to claim ownership of a green 2 line 46b prior to 1980
5. an ebay seller who was known to have a huge collection collected when the toys were first made by Lesney listed a green 2 line Pickfords for sale as a genuine variation even though he failed to include this variation in his 1970s collector guides - when questioned by ebayers that ebay seller decided to pull the auction for reasons we havent been told yet. THE EBAY SELLER DID NOT CLAIM IT WAS FROM HIS PERSONAL COLLECTION