24c Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow saloon.

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In reducing colour saturation on that picture to make the two #24c models more of a red colour, surely the other models colours will become too light and look washed-out!

GHOSTHUNTER.

Note that all the dark colours in that catalog photo are too dark - the colour of the collector case, the colour of the 46c rear right of the lower tray as well as the ´´black´´plastic back on the 4 staketruck , both Rolls - the yellow construction items are too orange and the red items also seem to not be as pinkish but more orange than in reality.Bottom Rolls is certainly a normal red one but the top tray car could be dark brown - a shade like black that Lesney had not used for car bodies previously at that time!

[GHOSTHUNTER]

I have mucked about with the image and without using any special picture enhancement software (simply because I don't have any!), I can just get the model in the lower tray to be more red, but the other model in the top tray hardly changes, so I believe it is still a brown model, and I'll agree with you Mick, that the lower model is red, now, having said red, it should be a pinky-red because that was the first colour on these #24c models, becoming darker later and because it appears darker in the image (due to some bad colour correction during printing of the catalogue), and the feasibility of the model coming from later production, puts the catalogue in the mid-67 period.

I have looked in all the usual folders on two laptops for the original image to tell you which catalogue it is from, but I don't have it anywhere else except in the #24c folder, but not the full catalogue, so I still don't know what date catalogue it is and it was taken as very early-67 due to the two #24c models in brown (now one in brown and one in red), used in a group shot for filling up a page.

GHOSTHUNTER.

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Here is an interesting item from the old 'Lefora' site. George T ("Kerbside") posted a picture of two #24c models showing different boot openings. To see the picture you had to click on a link to see the attachment, I have included that picture here...

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"Boxnut" came on and said he could not see any difference between the two models. Nick Jones then joined in and directed "Boxnut" to the code listing for this model and suggested he looks at the fourth picture down, I have included that picture here...

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The above picture shows the two sizes of the hinge-arm apertures with green highlights and I have these in my collection so can confirm their existance, but when I look at the first picture by George T, I can not see a difference, but what I see is the area right behind the hinge-arms are different. I have put yellow highlights on George's picture and what you are looking at is the appearance of more metal on the right hand model, shown below.

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I have looked for a similar model in my collection but have not yet found one, leading me to think that the right hand model has some casting flash in this area.

Could "Kerbside" come back and show these two models again with more pictures of the baseplate and the inner rear wheel-arch area for the brace.

I have left the pictures fairly large and you will see some of the original comments by "Kerbside" and Nick Jones above the pictures, this is due to it being a 'Screen-Grab' of the 'Lefora' site, being the quickest way to save the material despite being thrown out several times while trying to save this!!

GHOSTHUNTER.

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NICK'S CODE LISTING

When I have finally finished my variations listing for the #24c Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow saloon, I will try and match up each model to Nick's code listing, this will then follow the practice most of the forum members do already, so when talking about a certain version, you will know what model I am on about against the models on the list, code 1, code 2 and code 3 etc.

Because I have recorded more models than actually appear on the code listing, not all my models will match up, so what I intend to do is...

CODE 1=A model on Nick's list and a model on my list will appear as... MY No.1/CODE 1 the very first version we know off from May 1967.
CODE 1A=A model with slight changes that does not appear on Nick's code listing
CODE 1B=A model with further changes that is not recorded on Nick's code listing
CODE 2=A model that is on Nick's code listing and a matching model in my collection (so to me this is MY No.2/CODE 2).
CODE 2A=A model not on Nick's code listing but on my listing

All I have to do is re-label my own models to match the code number on Nick's code listing and for my own benefit I can see that a few models exist in between Nick's 'set-in-stone' codes, when I see the model has a label showing something like...MY No.2A, 2B or 3B, but when the label shows something like...MY No.2/CODE 2, MY No.3/CODE 3 or MY No.4/CODE 4, I know there is a matching version on Nick's code listing.

GHOSTHUNTER.

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Thank's "diecast" for your pictures of the casting differences you have found. I am not sure what I am looking at in your first picture (shown below), but the small triangular brace (just near where you have put your green highlight line), right behind the centre section of the boot 'Back-Wall' is on all my examples, early and late.

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GHOSTHUNTER.

[kerbside]

Hello Ghosty, here are the photos you wanted of the 24c, I have the photos of the rear wheel arch but know what you are looking for?


Nicks listing these are codes 2 and 3, as are the bases and rear wheel archs.


Code #2 is the top one bottom one is code3


Code 2.


Code 3.


Codes 7 and 9.


Codes 7 and 9.


code 7.


code 9.

I hope this helps you

George T.

[GHOSTHUNTER]

Actually George, no they don't my concern and interest is the right-hand model in your original image, that I re-posted but with my yellow high-lights. I want to be happy it is a genuine variation and that it is a very late model. If it is both of those, it should match the very first 'Superfast' version, because the regular wheel body casting was used for that very first 'Superfast' model.

Don't post any more pictures until I have studied your extra pictures above and gone away to compare my last 'Regular Wheel' model to my first 'Superfast' model.

Thank you for coming back to this posting, I'll be back soon.

GHOSTHUNTER.

[GHOSTHUNTER]

Here is a picture posted by "Diecast" earlier in the thread on page 2, showing the circle on the 'Back-Wall' in the boot. It seems the body casting must have started to be a problem with releasing from the mould and the tooling was modified by the insertion of a large pin that slides in and out to force the body out of the mould.

It is not on all models, only those issues from the point of the 'Patent' number appearing on the baseplate (1968 onwards), and the second part of the towing guide at the front of the baseplate.

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"Diecast" added a black highlighting circle to his image, I have added another picture with a yellow arrow highlighting.

Some times the circle can be quite deep but never standing proud from the flat surface of the 'Back-Wall' itself.

GHOSTHUNTER.

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Going back to "Kerbside's" picture showing two models with their boot-lids open and the idea that the 'Hinge-Arm' apertures are not the same size, I have just looked through 29 good models and 7 'Beater' models and not one of them matches the model on the right in George's picture, surely there would be one among 35 models!

This convinces me even further, that the one George has got, has flashing in the areas immediately behind the 'Hinge-Arms', right at the top of the openings, and because the example has the 'Back-Wall' ejection pin circle, I concentrated on my examples, but no, I do not have one.

Please somebody else find one so I can add it to my listing, proving it is a valid variation.

Ghosty.

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Here is an unusual wheel variation. The wheels are normal BPW design, not the original wheels fitted the wrong way around. The original source of this picture is unknown and the original source of the model in the picture is unknown. The model was discussed on the old 'Befora' but I don't remember what the outcome was regards it's status and originality. Do any members here have views and comments about it, thanks.

GHOSTHUNTER.