Tinplate help

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Tinplate help

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I know we are a diecast forum, so if any of the moderators think this sets a dangerous precedent please fire away and delete this post.

I've always steered clear of tinplate toys because the number of reproduction items leaves my little mind bursting - I could never tell the difference between old and new, genuine and fake. I took a bit of a gamble with this though, as the missing grille, wear and 'rustic' build quality made me think it was old. It has the registration plates 'IXL 1951' which rings a bell from somewhere (magazine article or even old forum????) - can anyone help with some info? I've spent ages online and all I can find is a saloon version that Vectis sold - they had it listed as 'unusual, possibly Indian' but that IXL plate is definitely something I've seen somewhere before......
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Ewan wrote:It has the registration plates 'IXL 1951'...
Not a UK registration. (Two numbers and four digits is a valid combination, so is three letters and three digits, but three letters and four digits is not.)
It is tempting to see '1951' as the (first) year of manufacture, with IXL refering to the maker (with "L" standing for Limited perhaps?)
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Hi Ewan, I've seen these before and there were a few in the range I think (ixl 1951/52....). I don't know the age of them but I do know that some post war tinplate toys were made from recycled tin, which often had other manufacturers markings inside where the scrap metal was simply re-used by other companies. Are there any marking inside at all?
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I've just Googled that number and it seems that a tinplate models (ixl) was seen with a "Works Birmingham" mark somewhere on it. So it's probably worth a good look round inside just in case.
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Thanks guys - much appreciated.

Idris - afraid I'm old enough to know it's not a UK mark, and I did think 1951 could be a year of manufacture, with IXL referring to the manufacturer, just like the Condon dumper's CP1949. That would be an easy way to make people think something was older than it was though. Interestingly, I've discovered there was an earlier (1890s) US tinplate firm who used IXL as a kind of word play - short for 'I Excell'

Johnboy - dismantled it for a look around inside but no marks at all. The recycled tin sounds valid though - the inside of the model is all a gold-bronze colour which reminds me of sardines. Thankfully no fishy odours present though!
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I've done a bit more digging and have come up with this:
"This is not a model one chooses for its accuracy, but rather for its glorious period charm. It is a tinplate model, approximately 11cm long. Discounting the wheels and axles and the crude seats inside, on the basic version there are three tinplate components tabbed together: the base, which also forms the bumpers and grille; the main body of the car; and the window surrounds and roof (with a pressed-in indentation to simulate a sunroof).
The model was clearly a product of post-war shortages as careful inspection of the interiors often reveals they are made from the likes of Oxo or Horlicks tins. Mine has ‘with’ written inside the ‘body’ section and ‘ELL’, no doubt indicating the use of a Shell oilcan on the roof lining.
The nature of the model, with its tabbed tinplate construction, means it would be virtually impossible to produce an accurate replica of the real car. The base, unusually for this era, incorporates a simulated engine block, driveshaft and differential and arguably this is the most accurately modelled aspect of the car.
The model came in two versions: a basic example in single colours and a two-tone friction drive. The single colours were red, blue and green with the two-tone versions in two of those three colours. There is one variation of the model: some have numberplates and some do not.
The numberplates are the only clue we have to the manufacturer of the car. The Vauxhall’s is IXL 1952. It is presumed that IXL is the manufacturer’s name and 1952 the year the model was introduced.
The most common IXL model is its Sunbeam-Talbot and one guesses this is because it was the first model to come out so was in production longer. Nobody seems to know where the IXL company was based, but its models were sold in Woolworths’ stores." (Source here)

Other information can be found here and here.
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Thank you Sir - you're a star :D
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I have a tinplate Vauxhall Velox (like the 22a Cresta) with IXL 1952 number plates, It is about 5 inches long and red coloured all over, The wheels are also tinplate and the whole thing is held together by tabs so it is easy to dismantle. It is made from a recycled baby formula tin and much of the baby formula instructions can still be read on the inside of the body. I might have some pics somewhere but I am in Scotland at the moment, maybe sunday or monday.
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nickjones wrote:I have a tinplate Vauxhall Velox (like the 22a Cresta) with IXL 1952 number plates, It is about 5 inches long and red coloured all over, The wheels are also tinplate and the whole thing is held together by tabs so it is easy to dismantle. It is made from a recycled baby formula tin and much of the baby formula instructions can still be read on the inside of the body. I might have some pics somewhere but I am in Scotland at the moment, maybe sunday or monday.
If you follow the second link in the post Idris put up (the first underlined 'here') it takes you to a page showing a blue 'IXL 1952' Vauxhall, also made from a recycled baby formula tin! I'm feeling a bit left out knowing mine is blank on the inside now :lol:
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