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kwakers wrote:I did get a response from my Seller thanking me for my payment yesterday zBret. He wants us to 'Move On from our misunderstanding'. I wrote him a rather lengthy (No, not kwakers LOL) reply simply stating we did not have any misunderstanding. His listing lacked any expected payment time, so I was very critical of him for that. He stated that there are now many problems with non-payers, to which I answered that a quick check of a Buyers Feedback will separate serious Bidders from non paying slugs. His non-payer problem is in his head after only 3 days! The 'New instant E Bay' is forcing Sellers into this panic.
In your case zBret, the Seller really thought his automatic non payer had been turned off, so I would log Positive Feedback just for his apology. He will probably make sure that it is off for sure now! E Bay does them automatically, and a seller just follows their recommendations, or is sometimes unaware of them until we let them know a non-payer alert was issued by E Bay on their behalf.
My Seller on the other hand was aware of my non-payer, saw nothing wrong with just a three day non-payer with NO WARNING in his listing, and also had no communication with me. His message to me said 'I usually pay for my purchases immediately'. Goody for him....LOL I will log positive feedback about his completing the transaction, but that's it. I will give him no stars at all, and I am avoiding his other sales. My advice to him was to state his Payment policy in his listings to avoid laid back Buyers like me. More of this 'instant' crap will be pushed by E Bay, only if we buyers allow it ..........kwakers
After 13 years on E Bay, I was not rattled at all zBret, but I made sure HE was in my scathing message back to him. He better change his listings to avoid laid back hobbyists like me, otherwise he will be messaging upset Buyers about 'misunderstandings' all the time........kwakers
Regardless of his apology, his communication skills suck big time. As you mention, if he's going to have an automatic non-payment action in three days, he clearly needs to have a payment policy stated in his listings. If he's that paranoid about slow payments, what do you want to bet he doesn't change the setting on his auctions (and just offered lip service and an apology to prevent bad feedback).

Maybe I'm too critical, but I try to conduct my online ebay business in the manner I would like to be treated. I always send out an invoice as soon as I can. I don't even remind a person about payment until a week has passed. I only do a nonpayment action if my reminders are repeatedly ignored. I ask actual shipping costs and not padded/inflated costs. I never quote Priority Mail prices and then send via First Class (like so many do). I always pack well (like I would like the model packed if it were headed to me). I always use a sturdy box (never a padded envelope or some recycled flimsy retail packaging box). I respond to questions as quickly as possible. I try to describe everything and photograph all angles (in clear pics). I offer returns for two weeks.

I do expect responsibility from the buyer. If they make an error (regardless of what that error is), Prior to shipment, I will cancel a sale upon request (and refund all money, if they already paid). If, upon arrival, they decide they don't like the item, I do ask for a reason. If that reason is because they failed to look at all the photos and/or failed to read the item description (i.e. failed to notice some obvious and fully disclosed flaw) I do charge a 20% rstocking fee and do NOT reimburse them for their return shipping. I also disclose this fact in my listings. I've seldom had to evoke that fee, but there are some people who push the limits.

It's a hobby and should be enjoyable. Those sellers who offer anything and everything on ebay (that are running a home based small business) would do well to remember this fact when dealing with collectors.
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I sell bits and pieces from home and I don't allow ebay to make automated decisions, I like to be in control of what happens. After a sale I send an invoice straight away, I politely ask for payment within 4 days which I think is reasonable and 99% pay immediately or the same day. If I haven't heard anything after a week I send a polite message and take it from there. Not everyone has the same standards and things in life just happen sometimes, but I try not to stress out too early because it's just not worth it.
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johnboy wrote:I sell bits and pieces from home and I don't allow ebay to make automated decisions, I like to be in control of what happens. After a sale I send an invoice straight away, I politely ask for payment within 4 days which I think is reasonable and 99% pay immediately or the same day. If I haven't heard anything after a week I send a polite message and take it from there. Not everyone has the same standards and things in life just happen sometimes, but I try not to stress out too early because it's just not worth it.
So right you are, it's not worth stress or worry.
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I know you are absolutely right on your opinions here guys. Life has enough stress without creating more for ourselves. I am amazed at your figure of 99% paying within a day Johnboy, I guess I better get my Gift Cards a little quicker from now on. My family does no online banking at all, cash limited Gift Cards work well for us now. We had our E Bay account hacked to use our excellent Feedback for 100+ fraudulent offers 3 years ago, and never had a $$ worry at all. We still have no idea what happened there, but E Bay made us update and change our account completely after a 7 day 'Break' while they looked for the fraudster. We have never sold anything on E Bay, so it was a bit scary to us.......kwakers
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kwakers wrote:I know you are absolutely right on your opinions here guys. Life has enough stress without creating more for ourselves. I am amazed at your figure of 99% paying within a day Johnboy, I guess I better get my Gift Cards a little quicker from now on. My family does no online banking at all, cash limited Gift Cards work well for us now. We had our E Bay account hacked to use our excellent Feedback for 100+ fraudulent offers 3 years ago, and never had a $$ worry at all. We still have no idea what happened there, but E Bay made us update and change our account completely after a 7 day 'Break' while they looked for the fraudster. We have never sold anything on E Bay, so it was a bit scary to us.......kwakers
Your ebay account (or any online account) should have a tough password. The same recommendations for a bank or credit card password apply. Years back, I had my ebay password hacked a couple of times. Since then, I went to a complex password, I've had no problems. My Paypal account has always been complex (and never an issue there).

I do all my bill paying online and I would be lost without online banking access. I write so few checks that I have checks that go back two previous bank mergers (and have the name of a bank that no longer exists on them). They are still good as the account numbers and routing numbers do not change (but, every once in awhile, it's a head scratcher for younger people).

I would never use preloaded credit cards or gift cards instead of a real card or a bank debit/credit card. Too many fees and gotchas. Some gift cards can actually expire rendering them worthless (same for some preloaded cards). You have little or no loss/theft protection or buyer rights protection on those cards. Such things are for illegal's, drug dealers, tax dodgers and those evading garnished wages and child support ... there the stuff of the underground economy who don't use banks for whatever reason(s) which apply. No wonder it takes you so long to get things done, your mired in the 1950's with regard to financial transactions.

Sounds like you need to look into your alternate payment methods more closely, you will be shocked at the risk you are taking/accepting and the rights you are giving up. Not to mention being nickel and dimed to death with little fees every time you turn around. I must say, I'm a little shocked (and concerned) about the methods you consider safer (as they are anything but).

I don't accept alternate payment methods from anyone (except you, by the way). And I wouldn't accept them from you except for the fact that I know where you live. I'm still wondering what to do with all those I.O.U.s that you chiseled out on a stone tablet and deliver here via Carrier Pterodactyl. When a buyer uses those payment methods, they give up all of their Buyer Protection.

Of my ebay sales, 97% get paid right away and 1.5% are paid within 12 hours and 1% within 24 hours. The remaining .5% takes longer than 24 hours. You make up about 25% of my .5%.

On the subject of real credit cards ... God bless American Express and a couple of other cards. My wife travels (and works) for JP Morgan Chase. The rewards points and cash back she builds up is tremendous. When we dine out, we eat and drink like kings thanks to those points. When we vacation (or go on Holiday), we stay in luxury suites on the concierge floor, drive free rental cars and travel First Class all for free or nearly free.

For Christmas, she gave me (OK, us) a huge flat screen HD smart TV with 3D and all the bells and whistles (God forgive me, but I love that TV). Cost to us ...$0. All done with rewards from our credit cards. My gift for that TV (OK, for me) was a Home Theatre Surround Sound System. Cost for that system was about $15 using my points.

I don't even have overdraft protection on my bank accounts. Because the wife and I have all our accounts (at the same bank) linked and my business accounts are also linked. They take care of us and if there is a charge, my bank rep always removes it. I never pay any fees because they combine all the monthly average deposit totals and they always exceed the minimum requirements. That's how it should be and I'm not a Fat Cat 1%er, I'm a working stiff.

My wife has two offices, one here at home and the other is whereever she is on any given day. She does everything via electronic transfer/payment, email and phone and does all of that on two devices (smart phone and laptop). She seldom even has to pull out her credit card as most everything is paid when the reservations are made.

This is a day and age where you make your money work for you, not the other way around. Same goes for technology, it's here to stay and the old ways are quickly becoming obsolete. Heck, I can even pay for my purchase, at my local grocery store, with Paypal. If anyone does dip into my till, I get a text or an email that notifies me straight away. I could go on much longer but I've already bored everyone to tears (and if you are still reading, sorry about that).
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I never really thought about the Pay Pal protection, the payments are through them but I do not have an account. Very interesting point you make there Joe. I kind of like being in a class with the illegals, drug dealers and tax dodgers. It makes my everyday life seem so much more exciting now, and that will bring many smiles to me every time I pay for one of these Lesneys now.
The cost is $6 for an American Express up to $500, and a dollar for every use goes to E Bay/ Pay Pal. I am not sure which pocket they officially put that in, but not the Seller's....LOL
The delivery Pterodactyl was getting a bit tired, so the Gift Cards moved me into at least 1990's technology. I miss the old underground economy Joe, my Benjamin Franklins do cause a stir some places now, but the frowns are usually followed by huge smiles at the Flea Markets and Antique Shops I visit. Caveman 'Underground' kwakers, I like it..... :) :)
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LOL Dick! You kwak me up (pun intended).
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mbox2000 wrote:LOL Dick! You kwak me up (pun intended).
Yes, he brings a smile to my old wrinkled face too!
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Tinman wrote:....I'm still wondering what to do with all those I.O.U.s that you chiseled out on a stone tablet and deliver here via Carrier Pterodactyl...
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I love it Ken! I am amazed at what can be done with a computer. If only I were not so crude..... :? Dick
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